Why do you want to go to heaven?

hasbeen99 · Oct 12, 2007 at 7:58 PM

tharan000 said: ↑

Yet they are still doomed by lacking this knowledge, yes?
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No. They are judged based on the knowledge they do have.

hasbeen99 · Oct 12, 2007 at 8:04 PM

tharan000 said: ↑

Romans 12 said:

"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares."
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Who wrote that? Paul? Was God whispering in his ear at that moment?
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In a manner of speaking, yes. At least that's what Paul claims, and Paul's teachings are backed up by apostles Peter, John, and James (I think).

tharan000 said:

If all that is true, then it qualifies good people from any religion.
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Not necessarily. The passage speaks specifically of a lack of knowledge. That is very different than someone who has lived what society would consider to be a "good" life, yet who has heard and rejected the Gospel of Jesus.

jbghostrat · Oct 17, 2007 at 4:00 PM

i'll let David Phelps sing it for me

tharan000 · Oct 17, 2007 at 11:12 PM

WLfan · Oct 22, 2007

lol, yea John Lennon is the go to guy for life's answers.....lol. Validates the old saying that those who believe in nothing will fall for anything.

tharan000 · Oct 19, 2007 at 12:27 AM

Neanderthals

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Neanderthals Had Language Gene Identical to Ours

Neanderthals might have spoken just like humans do now, new genetic findings suggest.

Neanderthals are humanity's closest extinct relatives. Since their discovery more than 150 years ago, researchers have found out they could make tools just like our ancestors could.

Whether Neanderthals also had advanced language, rather than mere grunts and groans, has remained hotly debated, however.

To learn more, scientists investigated DNA from Neanderthal bones collected from a cave in northern Spain, concentrating on a gene, FOXP2, which is to date the only one known to play a role in speech and language.

People with an abnormal copy of this gene have speech and language problems.

Genes similar to FOXP2 are found throughout the genomes of the animal kingdom, from fish to alligators to songbirds.

The molecule that human FOXP2 generates differs from chimpanzee FOXP2's by just two amino acids, the building blocks of proteins.

Past research suggests the gene's modern human variant evolved fewer than 200,000 years ago. Now scientists find the Neanderthal FOXP2 gene is identical to ours.

The ancestors of Neanderthals diverged from ours roughly 300,000 years ago, according to the latest thinking. Some studies have suggested that the two species might have intermingled after that, however.

"It is possible that Neanderthals spoke just like we do," paleogeneticist Johannes Krause of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, told LiveScience.

"Of course many genes are involved in language," cautioned Krause, the new study's lead researcher.

As scientists discover more of such genes, these will have to be examined in Neanderthals as well, he said.

Krause noted that some might suggest that interbreeding or "gene flow" (aka sex) between modern humans and Neanderthals led to us having FOXP2 in common.

"However, we see no evidence for gene flow in the Y-chromosome sequences," he said, referring to the "male" chromosome that men inherit almost always unchanged from their fathers.

Instead, the modern human and Neanderthal Y chromosomes are substantially different genetically.

Krause and his colleagues detailed their findings online Oct. 18 in the journal Current Biology.

Copyright © 2007 Imaginova Corp. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303282,00.html

tharan000 · Oct 19, 2007 at 12:31 AM

Neandertals, Humans Share Key Changes To 'Language Gene'

ScienceDaily (Oct. 18, 2007) — A new study in Current Biology reveals that adaptive changes in a human gene involved in speech and language were shared by our closest extinct relatives, the Neandertals. The finding reveals that the human form of the gene arose much earlier than scientists had estimated previously. It also raises the possibility that Neandertals possessed some of the prerequisites for language.

The gene, which is called FOXP2, is the only one known to date to play a role in speech and language, according to the researchers. People who carry an abnormal copy of the FOXP2 gene have speech and language problems.

"From the point of view of this gene, there is no reason to think that Neandertals would not have had the ability for language," said Johannes Krause of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology. He noted, however, that many as-yet-unknown genes might underlie the capacity for language. Once found, those would have to be examined in Neandertals as well.

Previous analyses indicated that a very recent rise in the human FOXP2 variant had occurred as a result of strong selection, less than 200,000 years ago, added Svante Pääbo, also of the Max Planck Institute. "Because we know that Neandertal and modern human populations diverged more than 300,000 years ago, we would have guessed that these changes in FOXP2 would have happened after we separated from Neandertals," Pääbo said, noting that the human version of FOXP2 differs from that of chimps in two places.

The researchers extracted DNA from Neandertal fossils collected in a cave in northern Spain. They exhumed the bones under sterile conditions and froze them before transporting them to the laboratory. They then extracted DNA and sequenced the Neandertal FOXP2 gene, revealing that it was identical to the version found in modern humans. To ensure that the Neandertal DNA samples hadn't been contaminated with human DNA, they also sequenced parts of their Y chromosome, which was found to be distinct from that of men today.

In addition to its potential implications for the acquisition of language, the study also marks the first time a specific nuclear gene has been retrieved from Neandertals--opening the door to other breakthroughs in scientists' understanding of human and Neandertal evolution, the researchers said.

"The current results show that the Neandertals carried a FOXP2 protein that was identical to that of present-day humans in the only two positions that differ between human and chimpanzee," the researchers concluded. "Leaving out the unlikely scenario of gene flow [between the two lineages], this establishes that these changes were present in the common ancestor of modern humans and Neandertals. The date of the emergence of these genetic changes therefore must be older than that estimated with only extant human diversity data, thus demonstrating the utility of direct evidence from Neandertal DNA sequences for understanding recent modern human evolution."

Reference: Krause et al.: "The Derived FOXP2 Variant of Modern Humans Was Shared with Neandertals." Publishing in Current Biology 17, 1--5, November 6, 2007. DOI 10.1016/j.cub.2007.10.008

The researchers include Johannes Krause of Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig; Carles Lalueza-Fox of Universitat de Barcelona in Barcelona; Ludovic Orlando of Université de Lyon, CNRS, INRA, École Normale Supérieure de Lyon in Lyon; Wolfgang Enard, Richard E. Green, Hernán A. Burbano, and Jean-Jacques Hublin, of Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig; Jaume Bertranpetit and Catherine Hänni of Université de Lyon, CNRS, INRA, École Normale Supérieure de Lyon in Lyon; Javier Fortea and Marco de la Rasilla of Universidad de Oviedo in Oviedo; Antonio Rosas of Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales (CSIC) in Madrid; and Svante Pääbo of Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig.

This work was supported by the Max Planck Society, the Ministry of Education and Science of Spain, the National Sciences Foundation, and the Principado de Asturias (Spain).
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071018123649.htm

tharan000 · Oct 19, 2007

*edit*
Aren't we all lip sync'ing?

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