Why do you want to go to heaven?

You cannot make a claim on 2nd or 3rd party influence of the "power" of prayer. It is exactly the same bogus bullshit that the ESP gurus were claiming in 70's and roundly shown to statistically insignificant or nonexistent through repeated experimentation and attempted recreation.

1st party influence (on yourself) is well know in psychoanalytics, but not that it is necessarily prayer, rather the mind's ability to heal and manipulate itself and the body. Zen monks and Hindu Yogis do it all the time as well.

I am not the one infecting the minds of children with all the fears and hatreds that has plagued our human race for millenia now, based on NOTHING by hearsay and pipe dreams.

If you actually had such evidence you claim, why has science steadily encroached on the territory of your precious religion over the past few hundred years? Marketing campaign? No, straight up effectiveness. And the reason your church memberships are dropping, as well as Republican membership by young people, is because the rest of humanity sees your stupidity.

Please address my points with your refutation of the Carbon-14 dating technique. You can't and you won't. I know it and you know it. I offered evidence, you countered with links to OPINION, and I refuted that as well. Your turn. Give up yet?

When you are done, please refute the fossil record. Then refute the mathematical formulas of gravity and light refraction, breakthroughs in DNA sequencing, the Krebs cycle, Brownian motion, relativity, etc. What do all these ideas have in common? Reproduceable, verifiable, peer-reviewed experimentation and EVIDENCE. We have already established in this thread that mutations take place, but of course you liars dropped off that train of thought quick because you knew exactly where I was going to go with it. You don't have shit. Deep down you know it is fucking true, you are just too much of a pussy to step out of the comfort zone of your upbringing.

So your offering a conjecture that their might be some supernatural creature floating around just as inteligent as God, but not God? Why don't you run that one by your local preacher and get back to me on how many times he slaps your face.

Here is quick primer dumbass:

"The scientific method seeks to explain the events of nature in a reproducible way, and to use these reproductions to make useful predictions. It is done through observation of natural phenomena, and/or through experimentation that tries to simulate natural events under controlled conditions. It provides an objective process to find solutions to problems in a number of scientific and technological fields. Often scientists have a preference for one outcome over another, and scientists are conscientious that it is important that this preference does not bias their interpretation. A strict following of the scientific method attempts to minimize the influence of a scientist's bias on the outcome of an experiment. This can be achieved by correct experimental design, and a thorough peer review of the experimental results as well as conclusions of a study."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

How can you "concede" either for or against your idea of a creator as God or not-God? And why is it a concession? Answer: because you have an emotional attachment to a particular outcome without qualification. And you are expressing your pseudo-enlightenment by conceding some bullshit point to me. Keep your fucking point. You utterly fail as a scientist and a rational debater.

Once you again you make your little leap of faith and think you are doing me a favor. You don't have a fucking clue about the Scientific Method. It is the very same methodology that has allowed you to drive to work, to make modern communications in your home and workplace possible, allows you to take your cholesterol medicine and continue eating your cheeseburgers, and to make the America you and your winger friends beat their chests about us being the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth. And what created that reality? SCIENCE, ************! Science and innovation. We rule the world by science and innovation, not your religion.

How do you function as a rational human being in this modern world? Oh I know, you vote Republican and let those bastards run the show. That way you really don't have to think too deeply. Just raise your hands to the Lord, close your eyes, and all will be well, right? How's your faith doing these days? Killed any innocent civilians with it lately?

 

Not inconsistent, simply without evidentiary standing. Just like my Flying Spaghetti Monster. (He is real BTW.)

 

Why should I address any of your points when you continously refuse to address mine you hypocritical coward?

Yep, you're a joke. good bye.

 

I don't think that you quite understand. You are trying to use evidence that is wholy consistent with God creating life as evidence that he could not have done so.

If you are asking that someone prove the existence of God before you will believe in Him, then I wholly concede that is indeed impossible (although I do feel that this proof will somehow be involved in Jesus' return).

 

AMEN......and "check-mate" to tharan000 and all the other lost souls out there.

 

God takes it up the ass for fifty cents.

 

If by "God" you are referring to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then I agree with you 100%.

Until you offer up evidence of your assertion, then those two conjectures are absolutely equivalent.

 

Scurry off with tail between your legs, Christian. Run away and shout profanities as you look over your shoulder. Believe me, I know you will be back with a righteous invading army, as your kind has done repeatedly throughout history, women and children be damned.

 

You are free to choose who you believe in without me demanding any type of proof at all. See, we Christians are enlightened and understanding in that way.

Again, you need to offer your proof first. You claim that evolution has proof, correct?

Where is a fossil of a transitional species? Where is proof that something evolved into a new species? Where is proof that life has spontaneously been created with absolutely no help from an intellegent being?

 

Why thank you, good sir. But unfortunately, that function does not extend beyond your emotional state. In fact, it has next to zero relevance to Mother Nature.

I don't claim proof. I claim evidence. "God exists" is not the default theoretical state objectively. Thus your conjecture of that particular supernatural creature's existence needs to be supported by evidence. You might start by showing it is even possible for some being, or any matter whatsoever, could exist and function "supernaturally." Then the next step is to show that there is in fact evidence that an intelligent creature exists in such a state. It is your hypothesis of existence, not mine.

There is no proof. There is only evidence. And there is REAMS of evidence for evolution; homologous bone structure among vertebrates, incredible statistical correlation among the genetic makeup of all complex mammals, transitional viruses and bacteria (the aforementioned TB vaccine issues, yearly flu shots, e.coli as examples).
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/11/021115065518.htm

The fact is, the most telling evidence of evolution for us to personally see comes from the micro world because of our short life spans. We generally only have 7 or 8 decades to individually witness transitions of species, and the more complex species tend to to take the longest to change. But these markers are able to be passed down from generation to generation with the advent of modern communication methods, so highly complex organisms are divulging their secrets at a remarkable rate.

And I can tell you anecdotally humans are changing even between generations. I look at my daughter and the onset of her puberty at age 11, compared to older generations as examples. We also know the bone structures of dated remains of humans were generally of shorter stature and we can mark the slow movements and their statistical transitions over multiple generations.

These are just a few examples of EVIDENCE for evolution.
Here is more:

So there is MORE evidence for you. I have sourced my material and all of it is peer reviewed. That is the Scientific Method. It has ZERO to do with what I want. Would you be so kind as to return the favor? I must tell you, I won't hold my breath.