when will chris rix transfer?

I read where you said that you wanted everyone to go after that Orange Bowl loss, but that's the only place you've said that. Meanwhile you've made multiple posts blaming the entire collapse of FSU's offense on Jeff Bowden replacing Mark Richt.

Face it, Larry, you lost the argument. I can't make you believe the truth, but you lost the argument. Badly.

Shhh. They don't want to hear that.

 

this is what i wrote in 2002.

 

not at all.

some of the big names that left while fsu was "really good" and before fsu started losing (2000 orange bowl):

chuck amato
jimmy callaway
connie cotrell
dr. john eason
jim gladden
jimmy heggins
mark richt
brad scott
dave van halanger

 

You're welcome to have him back. I'm sure most State fans will say the same about Amato.

 

Now Larry is apparently forced to outright lying because he knows he's lost the argument. For God's sake, Jimmy Callaway was a god damned equipment manager, not a coach. As for the rest:

Chuck Amato - former LBs coach. FSU LBs still rock, and Larry has said that he likes Steele anyway.
Ronnie Cotrell - recruiting coordinator now at Alabama and implicated in unethical practices
John Eason - coached WRs for 3 seasons in the mid '90s
John Gladden - DEs coach, and again, FSU's DEs still kick ass
Jimmy Heggins - I already mentioned that he didn't stop being OL coach until 2005, so he was around for the suckage
Mark Richt - OC and QBs guru
Brad Scott - OC before Richt
Dave Van Halanger - Strength & Conditioning coach who left with Richt

 

can't. chemistry is gone. you can't go home.

like i said -- purge and rebuild.

 

i didn't say jimmy was a coach. i said he was a big name. and if you KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT FLORIDA STATE FOOTBALL YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND HIS IMPACT OF NOT BEING THERE. he was the glue in the athletic department. players confided in him and he would talk to the coaches.

and to reduce john eason's impact to "coached WRs for 3 seasons in the mid '90s" is laughable. eason was a key arcitect in designing the 'fast break' offense that charlie ward excelled at (and won a national championship an a heisman trophy with). he lived in tallahassee since the 60s, was on the staff since '81 and was THE bridge between the black players and the coaching staff.

coach van was maybe the single-most important factor in fsu's dominance. the conditioning program he designed turned those talented high-school kids into nfl-ready men. there's a reason he's a hall-of-famer. i took his class while at fsu. he was great.

again, i'm not sure what you're saying, collin. what point are you trying to make? you said that the staff was basically the same, i'm showing you what's missing.

 

vpkozel: "Aren't they pretty much the same coaches that were there when FSU was really good?"

LarryD: "not at all. some of the big names that left while fsu was "really good" and before fsu started losing (2000 orange bowl): chuck amato, jimmy callaway, ..."

You tell me how that reads, chief.

That you're making up bullshit off the top of your head to desperately try to keep alive a fight you already lost. Bringing up defensive coaches is pointless because A) the argument is about the offensive decline, and B) you've already said that you like the replacements. Bringing up equipment managers is similarly pointless and deceptive. So the point is:

* the only real coaching change between domination and suckage is Richt, and he only directly coached QBs.

Thus, you can't claim that non-QB offensive players weren't being coached as well as they were during domination. So if it's not coaching, then it's the players themselves.

 

i'm not making up bullshit off the top of my head and i'm sorry that you can't see that i know what i'm talking about.

this is my life down here. i know this program.

you don't.

 

Good argument. Let me know when that line actually convinces someone. For my own part, I'll stick with facts for the time being. Thanks, though.