when will chris rix transfer?

As good as always....

here are rivals.com rankings of fsu's previous eight recruiting classes:

1999 -- #15
2000 -- #3
2001 -- #1
2002 -- #1
2003 -- #7
2004 -- #3
2005 -- #3
2006 -- #3

 

You don't deserve any, Larry. You're just a rabid fan who has come to blame everything that disappoints you on an easy scape-goat.

All of which makes you more biased. You being so close to things down there is what makes you that much more emotional about the issue. That's why you can't look at the field and see what every non-FSU fan sees - that your non-WR offensive players suck balls.

Oh come on. You're the guy who hypes FSU players in the draft talk every year, and if they even get drafted, they usually suck. You're about as objective as Truth Detector.

Dude, you just don't know when to quit. Let me illustrate why you're wrong.

Alex Barron - 1st round pick starter for the Rams. Ok, that's a good start for you.
Ray Willis - 4th round, backup RT
Montre Holland - 5th round, backup RG (behind Jamar Nesbit, for god's sakes)
Brett Williams - 4th round, out of football
Todd Williams - 7th round, out of football
Milford Brown - 6th round, starter for Arizona
Char-ron Dorsey - 7th round, out of football

Leon Washington - 4th round, 4th string RB and punt returner
Greg Jones - 2nd round, fullback
Travis Minor - 3rd round, backup RB

Willie Reid - 3rd round, 6th WR and backup returner
Craphonso Thorpe - 4th round, out of football
P.K. Sam - 5th round, out of football
Anquan Boldin - 2nd round, Pro Bowl WR
Talman Gardner - 7th round, out of football
Javon Walker - 1st round, Pro Bowl WR
Marvin Minnis - 3rd round, out of football
Peter Warrick - 1st round, out of football
Ron Dugans - 4th round, out of football
Laveranues Coles - 3rd round, starting WR

Chris Weinke - 4th round, backup QB
Adrian McPherson - 5th round, 3rd string QB

Sebastian Janikowski - 1st round, kicker

And those players were a hell of a lot better. Do you see any Tra Thomases, Walter Joneses, or Warrick Dunns in the 2000-2005 group? No. Thanks for making my point.

Here's your bias again. Even if we assume that he ignores the running game, which he doesn't, what would that have to do with WR development? Freakshow argued that the position coaches suck at FSU, but you, Larry, said that the WRs have been a greta success. Well, Jeff Bowden coaches the WRs and has for the last 12 years.

LarryD says in a previous thread: "fsu offensive players suck? anquan boldin sucks? javon walker sucks?"

I thought Chris Rix did in '01, but I guess he was a redshirt freshman. I know Leon Washington did. Boldin also did, as have others. But in any case, you're missing the point. Players with no significant college coaching at other programs do better than what FSU's non-WR offensive players do. It's not just a matter of coaching.

Aren't the running backs not as good as they used to be? So Sexton suddenly decided to stop coaching them, right? Plus Jeff Bowden has been the WR coach for 12 years. Jimmy Heggins also coached the offensive line across that Richt gap you keep talking about (until 2005), but suddenly the offensive linemen started to suck. Did he stop coaching after Richt left too? Then John Lilly has been the TEs coach for the last 8 years. I'm fine if you want to argue that Mark Richt was a better quarterbacks coach than Daryl Dickey, but he's the only offensive position coach that changed in 2000.

Larry, you're a computer guy and always have been. I knew more about football at age 15 than you do now. My track record for evaluating players, yes just by watching them on television, speaks for itself. Maybe my accuracy would be even greater if I had the time and access to watch practices, but I see things by watching games just like coaches and scouts do. That's what you don't understand because you're not capable of that kind of analysis. You think someone has to be at the game to see things, but that's absurd. The whole reason coaches and scouts watch film is because the broad perspective shot often lets you see more than sitting in the stands or press box.

a) Yes, they do. You even admitted earlier in this thread that you don't get the players you used to. Remember vpkozel calling you on that?

b) Suck = they are bad players.

c) since the '99 recruiting class, and it has gotten progressively worse since then.

 

This is again where you show yourself to be a complete moron. TALENT DOESN'T DISAPPEAR. You are a fucking dumbshit of the highest order. If a guy is talented out of high school and sits on the bench for four years or gets bad coaching or whatever, he's still fucking talented after those years. FSU's offensive players, aside from the WRs, don't look talented from the minute they set foot on campus. They don't look talented as freshmen, they don't look talented as seniors, and they don't look talented when the NFL comes to check them out. I already explained to your dumb ass that one of the things I specifically look for is evidence that a guy has been poorly coached or extremely well coached (in the sense that the scheme masked his weaknesses - i.e. Tedford quarterbacks). FSU offensive players still don't pass muster after factoring that in.

Now seriously, Freakshow. You have never posted a single worthwhile thing on TBR to ever even suggest that you have rudimentary intelligence. Go find a board where your stupidity fits in or just shut the fuck up when the grown ups are talking.

 

And...once again...you are talking to hear yourself talk...

Why do you think they redshirt talented players? Learn the system. Adjust to the speed. Put on weight. Improve technique...These things aren't happening. The players that are coming out of FSU have not improved on technique, speed, etc...that's why they don't shine in college like they did in high school.

You are just plain out WRONG and your ego won't let you admit it.

 

And to sum up the Larry response above if the length makes it too hard to follow along:

#1) The offensive position coaches are all the same from pre-Richt to post-Richt except for A) quarterbacks and B) offensive line. And even the offensive line coach was the same until 2005, and FSU's o-linemen started sucking before that, so it cannot be the coaching for any position except arguably QBs. And if it's that, then you need to blame Daryl Dickey, but do you see Larry or any other FSU fan doing that? No, because they're morons and they stupidly want to blame Jeff Bowden regardless of the facts.

#2) No offensive position has been better for FSU in the last decade than WR. Jeff Bowden has coached WRs for that decade.

#3) Excluding kickers, FSU has only put 3 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and 4 third round picks into the NFL among its offensive players since 2000. They've put 22 total offensive players into the draft during that period, with few being starters and 9 already out of football altogether. Meanwhile Miami 8 first round picks, 4 second round picks, and 5 third round picks during that period. Most of those players are still starting in the NFL, and many are superstars.

#4) Larry simultaneously says that the players aren't being coached up, but also that FSU would have been saved if Joe Mauer had come to school. He also said in separate threads that FSU still gets the best recruits, and that their recruits aren't as good as they used to be. He can't make up his mind which is actually going on because...

#5) Larry is an FSU homer. The facts show that Jeff Bowden is not the problem, or at least not the primary one, but Larry parrots that line because it's what the FSU community has collectively decided rather than just accepting the fact that the team couldn't stay on top forever. I recognize it because UNC fans went through the same thing with Matt Doherty. We didn't want to face the facts that we weren't getting the same quality of recruits without Dean, or that the program was in decline. We blamed Doherty.

 

If I were wrong, you'd be able to point out a single thing I've actually been wrong about instead of getting your ass whipped in post after post. As I said, you haven't shown a shred of intelligence in all your posts at TBR. Seriously, show me one where you've ever said anything insightful at all. You are a clueless idiot who babbles online against people who don't share your mental retardation.

See the above points and again try to comprehend just how stupid you are.

 

I've already pointed it out. You have your head so far up your own ass you can't see it.

FSU gets good recruits. They don't develop them. The question is...what has happened.

You said you do NOT follow recruiting. Only the finished product as it goes into the NFL. So...you can't offer an opinion on the talent as it comes into FSU...only leaving.

 

No, FSU gets highly ranked recruits. There is a difference (and I already pointed out to you that FSU's high rankings usually come thanks to their defensive players anyway). The position coaches were all the same except for quarterbacks coach, so it's not coaching.

 

But both Larry and I have pointed out others as well. Not just defense. Skill positions...OL....

 

What highly ranked O-linemen have you pointed out?

Oh, and don't take credit for Larry's work. I disagree with him, but I respect him. You're a know-nothing jackass who hasn't done anything except post Rivals rankings and insist that those won your argument even though I've proven you wrong on a hundred different angles already.