when will chris rix transfer?

preach it, brother freak.

 

Definitely not. Miami went through its own down period where it wasn't picking the right players, just as many other schools have. Unfortunately the problem becomes cyclical where a stud high school OT says, "I'm not going to FSU because they don't put guys into the pros while Miami does," so FSU's big recruiting names tend to be at the same positions they've been strong at - WR and DEF.

You're too close to the issue, Larry, and like many such emotionally-tied people, you can't differentiate fact from bias.

Fact:
FSU isn't putting many offensive players into the NFL except at WR.

Fact:
The position Jeff Bowden coaches also happens to be the offensive position where FSU has by far its greatest success.

Fact:
Freshmen are having huge success in college football these days, and yet FSU's aren't, thus showing that it isn't a matter of being "coached up."

Fact:
Most of the position coaches are the same ones who were there under Richt, so his departure shouldn't have affected the "coaching up."

Fact:
Freakshow is a moron who has shown no knowledge of college football whatsoever.

Fact:
I am a published writer who has analyzed the draft for years, specifically with the purpose of evaluating talent that was either masked or exaggerated by college systems.

Opinion:
Your offensive linemen, quarterbacks, and running backs fucking suck, and have for a good while now.

This is all just about scape-goating. It's easier to create a villain responsible for something unwanted than to simply acknowledge that it's difficult if not impossible to sustain dominance forever. Bowden isn't Richt, and I've been clear about that all along, but at the same time it's painfully obvious that FSU's offensive players just aren't nearly as good as they used to be. It isn't just a matter of play-calling, it's a matter of performance quality. Your bitching is exactly the same as certain fans previously bitching about Henning back when our offensive players sucked. Meanwhile Freakshow is only in this thread because his pussy hurts.

 

Rix has got to go. He's awful.

 

You are wrong on SO many levels. It's like argueing with a fucking wall.:banginghe

I've also seen the "publication" you were published in. Bottom line...Scout and Rivals are THE publications. If you aren't covering recruiting for them, you are no different than the rest of us. Matter of fact, I don't think you really UNDERSTAND college ball...the importance of recruiting...getting the recruits ready to contribute...and at what position.

You take FSU's recruits for the past 5 years and put them with them coaches from 7-8 years ago and they'd be just as good. It's simply impossible to recruit that many blue chip kids and have that many bust. That shows there is a problem. Every school misses on a few...it happens.

 

Funny how you keep saying that, canyon hole, and yet you can't actually point out any place where I'm wrong. Since it's obvious that I'm wrong on so many levels, how stupid are you that you can't even point out one?

Scout and Rivals cover high school athletes entering college, you dumbshit. I don't even look at that. I cover college athletes entering the NFL.

I'm the one who doesn't understand? You're so fucking stupid you didn't even know that Chuck Amato wasn't a coordinator at FSU. Who didn't know that shit? What even casual football fan doesn't know that Mickey Andrews has been DC there forever?

It's not impossible at all, and moreover, I keep pointing out to you that those stellar recruiting classes were built mainly on WRs and defensive players. Unfortunately you're such a moron that you can't comprehend that.

 

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i'm not going to name-call or use foul language. no need.

i can appreciate you thinking that ii'm too close to be objective. i understand where you're coming from. but please give me some credit. i'm not approcahing this as a fan -- i'm approching it as someone with intimate knowledge of a program that can't be gleaned from a television or reading stories on the internet. i know people who coach. i go to their parties. they are clients of my mom. i live next door to them. my brother is friends with the players. michael boulware is one of their best friends. i know the guys who cover the beat. two of them just gave me an advance copy of their book on bowden to review. i know inside information about players, coaches and the program.

while i have been going to fsu football games since 1976, i'm not speaking as just a fan here. please give me some credit. i know when i'm talking out of my ass.

to your facts:


Fact: FSU isn't putting many offensive players into the NFL except at WR.

FSU's 23 nfl offensive draft picks (from 2000-2006):

Offensive linemen: alex barron, ray willis, montre holland, brett williams, todd williams, milford brown, charron dorsey

Running backs: leon washington, greg jones, travis minor

Wide receivers: willie reid, craphonso thorpe, p.k. Sam, anquan boldin, talman gardner, javon walker, marvin minnis, peter warrick, ron dugans, laveranues coles

quarterback: chris weinke, adrian mcpherson

kicker: sebastian janikowski

FYI: Anquan boldin and peter warrick signed as a quarterbacks. Willie reid and lava coles were recruited as running backs.

By round: first round (4), second round (2), third round (5), fourth round (6), fifth round (2), sixth round (1), seventh round (3)

The previous seven years, (from 1993 to 1999), fsu had 23 offensive players drafted. that's putting a lot of players into the nfl.



Fact: The position Jeff Bowden coaches also happens to be the offensive position where FSU has by far its greatest success.

that's because he ignores the running game. “I don’t want to deal with the running game,” Jeff Bowden said. “I’m not going to sit here wondering why we’re not blocking this guy or that guy.” pathetic from an offensive coordinator. besides, fsu's receivers are where its best athletes end up. if anything, the receivers under jeff bowden have been underacheivers. our receivers haven't been as precise, tough or reliable ever since john eason left fsu (he went to clemson with brad scott). fsu's receivers under eason never had the athletic ability of the guys that get turned out now, but they made up for it BY BEING COACHED-UP into great college football players. fsu gets far fewer TDs by wide receivers in the red zone now than in the late 80s and early 90s.

Fact: Freshmen are having huge success in college football these days, and yet FSU's aren't, thus showing that it isn't a matter of being "coached up."

uh, bowden doesn't play freshmen. if you followed the program, you'd know that. bowden has always beleived in paying your dues as an underclassman, then earning your PT. that's one of the negative recruiting tactics employed by other schools, "you know bobby won't play you as a freshman, come here and we'll make you the focus of our offense...blah blah blah." without even looking it up anywhere, i can tell you the freshmen offensive players who have done ANYTHING at fsu under bowden: qb chip ferguson, rb greg allen, p charlie ward, rb warrick dunn, rb travis minor, wr greg carr, k scott bentley, qb drew weatherford. that's in 30 years. fans see what is going on around the country with true freshmen getting on the field at other schools and contributing and wish that bowden would change his ways. they couldn't get rid of rix fast enough here (he was benched twice, but twice arose from the dead like in a horror film) so that's why weatherford was given the helm as a freshman. carr didn't start last year, even though he came on with 9 tds. hell, he didn't even start THIS year -- that goes to upperclassmen decody fagg and chris davis. everybody knows that the infinitely-more-talented sophmore antone smith should be fsu's starting running back, but the upperclassman booker gets the nod. fsu oes have two promising freshman tight ends who get PT this year because the upperclassman is injured. brandon warren will play so well that he won't be taken out.



Fact: Most of the position coaches are the same ones who were there under Richt, so his departure shouldn't have affected the "coaching up."

what position coaches are the same? billy sexton still "coaches" the running backs, but that's it.

since the 2000 orange bowl loss, i've wanted the whole coaching staff (except mickey) purged. that was jeff bowden's first as offensive coordinator -- and boy, was it ever offensive. ugh.

what qb has developed since richt left fsu?

former fsu qb peter tom willis, who does the fsu football color ccommentary on the radio broadcasts, said on the air during the clemson loss that seminoles needed to scrap "this high-school offense."

terry bowden said on his radio show that "If I were still coaching and if I were Bobby Bowden, I'd have my coaches go to Auburn during the offseason and copy their scheme. Line up your tailback 8 yards deep, and let him get a running start. Fake it to the tailback and hit the tight ends. Use play-action to get the wide receivers open. That's what I would do."

chris rix's dad says: "My son was made a scapegoat for the offensive ineptitude. Funny, but the many problems Chris was blamed for are still there now that he's gone. My son was never developed like he should have been. He was stuck in second gear his whole time there. Chris was recruited by Mark Richt to play quarterback at Florida State, but when Coach Richt left [to become the head coach at Georgia], we weren't playing for Florida State anymore. We were playing for the Bobby Bowden Friends and Family Network."



Fact: I am a published writer who has analyzed the draft for years, specifically with the purpose of evaluating talent that was either masked or exaggerated by college systems.

...over the internet. when you get out to college campuses and see and talk to these players and coaches (as i have), let me know. i do think that given the chance to do so, you may be pretty good. but until until i see you on the sidelines at practices or attending pro days with nfl scouts, i hope you understand when i say that you are exaggerating your talent.



Opinion: Your offensive linemen, quarterbacks, and running backs fucking suck, and have for a good while now.

(a) no, they don't. (b) define suck. (c) since when?

look at the draft info above. that's about two non-wr offensive players that get drafted by the nfl each year for the past seven years. toss in the wide receivers and there's no way these offenses should be ranked anywhere but the top 10 in the national stats. these teams should be scoring at least four TDs a game and they aren't.



when louisville can lose it's BEST PLAYER and go out the next week and roll up 600+ yards of offense and hang 60+ points on ANYBODY, then why can't a loaded fsu team score only 10 points against troy state in three and a half quarters of football in its home opener?

news flash: it's the coaching.



listen, fsu had a good run. i understand that no program can stay on top forever and it's fsu's turn for a downswing. i get that. it happens. it's innevitable.

i love me some bobby. he's an icon. he's a legend. he is florida state. but it's over. he needs to step aside.

bobby has already said that he will never fire his son. ever. so, fsu is stuck with them until bowden retires. which he won't do until after joe paterno calls it quits. nepotism sucks and there's a reason that it's illegal and that fsu had to skirt the law to make the coach's son offensive coordinator. it's a political mess down here because nobody has the nuts to say, "bobby, it's time to call it a career."

 

i haven't seen you back that up yet, but here are the five-star recruits (rivals) fsu has signed fom 02-06:

DB myron rolle -- freshman
DT callahan bright -- prep school
LB ernie sims -- nfl
WR dishon platt -- off team
WR chauncey stovall -- nfl
WR fred rouse -- off team

TE brandon warren -- freshman
RB antone smith -- backup rb
QB xavier lee -- backup qb
RB lorenzo booker -- starting rb
ATH chris davis -- starting wr
RB leon washington -- nfl


here's some notable five-star recruits (there's only about 30 of these each year) from 2002: vince young, marcus vick, devin hester, ahmad brooks, ciatric faison, jerious norwood, haloti ngata, mercedes lewis, maurice clarrett.

i think these recruiting services get it pretty much right.

talent needs coaching to realize it's full potential.

 

I'm curious to know where our classes have ranked.

 

EXACTLY!

So...you have NO knowledge AT ALL about the talent coming into FSU...only what is LEAVING FSU.

So, basically, Larry and I are 100% correct. FSU is getting GREAT recruits (as we've pointed out to you over and over). For some reason, these GREAT recruits aren't getting better once they reach the campus. That's why you don't see them going on to the NFL.

I agree with you 100% that they aren't sending players to the NFL like they used to. But I also KNOW they are still getting the same talent on campus. So something that USED to happen is not happening anymore. What has changed?

Got to be coaching.