When did you accept God in your life, or realize you did not believe in him?

No I'm sorry I don't. I am bad to channel surf and lots of times I hit shows right in the middle or just catch parts of it because I will switch when a commericial comes on. And I'm bad to fall asleep while watching TV too. This was probably on Discovery or the History channel though. I think they were covering several of the Bibles stories and how they could have happened.

 

well, i guess we're just lucky then that things like computers and satellites and medicine all work as well as they do.

 

They are complicated machines and mixtures that are the result of intelligent design.....just like humans :xyzthumbs

 

strange. given that you say science "tosses out guesses ... until evidence comes along disproving them which spawns a new rash of guesses." what you now refer to as intelligent design sounds an awful lot like natural selection -- radical variations that are put thru the cruicible of the real world where only the strong survive.

 

Strange, I haven't seen a computer appear spontaneously....have you?

 

no. but you say science takes guesses at how things work until those guesses are proven wrong which "spawns" (your word) new guesses. degrade it as you will, it's a pretty effective technique. we have very good products from these labors. perhaps all of science is wrong about how a computer works, but if they are, it's pretty amazing that their misconceptions still seem to fit the real world data. and really, that's all that matters.

but i'm just trying to reconcile your obvious distaste for the process of science with your recognition that it's "intelligent". and in particular, i find it somewhat ironic that you refer to a process that so sounds much like natural selection (the survival of the fittest theories) as "intelligent design".

 

Natural selection has no intelligence behind it. Invention does. Your analogy is quite flawed.

 

A: Mathematics is used in everything, including evolution. A simple example would be carbon-dating.

B: But thats only a small part of science. Most of science is factual, although in evolution, it's probably about 50/50 fact/thoery

 

A)The theory of evolution itself is not based on mathmatical principals. That is what I was saying.

B) If any of science is not factual then that is "far too much"

 

True, but I believe that MOST of the history in the bible DID happen, the civilizations, and the wars, and so on. That makes the Bible look more factual. It's just things like, Moses parting the Red Sea, and Joshua blowing his horn and the walls of Jericho crumbling down. Those are the parts I believe are fantasy.