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When did you accept God in your life, or realize you did not believe in him?

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by vpkozel, Mar 31, 2004.

  1. vpkozel

    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    I have to tell you, I don't know a whole lot about the Cambrian Explosion, but unless you can disprove it, why would you be so defensive about it or so prepared to throw it out?

    I thought the scientific method required revalidation of a theory after contrary evidence comes to light.
     
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    so the science behind the discovery of the "cambrian explosion" is sound, but the science behind evolution theory is not sound.

    worth noting that we've also gone from 32 to 11. the fossil record is incomplete. it's entirely possible that we'll hone that down even further.

    regardless, there are plenty of evolutionists who have little problem with the cambrian explosion. in fact, they probably welcome anomolies like that as it helps them gain further understanding of their field.
     
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    All it helps them do is throw out ideas like punctuated equilibrium that are taught as fact but have no more merit than a creator.
     
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    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    Aren't you talking about 23? The 11 that we know and the 12 with no fossil record?
     
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    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    sure, but the most up to date information is always best to work with. there's a big difference between saying that all but one branch of known life sprang into existance during the course of 5 million years of evolution vs there was a period of 30 million years during which time a wide spectrum of relatively complex life forms reveal themselves in the fossil record.

    particularly when the argument revolves around "that seems really unlikely".

    and again, evolution is change. the method, the speed, the forces at work... they're seperate theories with stronger or weaker supporting evidence.
     
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    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    that's a long way from:

    "You won't find a single evolutionist, not one, who says evolution can move that fast."



    so nobody is a proponent of it on page 10 and now on page 11 it's being taught as fact. i'll be damned if you didn't just evolve.
     
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    no. we know 20 -- 11 show up in the camrian, 1 is pre-camrian, 8 are post cambrian, and 12 have no record. no record, i presume, means they are things like jellyfish or octopods or other creatures that leave to discernable fossils.

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    of the 20 we have a record of, 11 show up in the cambrian. but it's worth pointing out that it's difficult to declare just how different these creatures are. simply that they've been put in different phyla doesn't really mean much. i'm sure it was done for a good reason, but a sole examples, the difference between them is not necessarily greater than the difference between species.
     
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    But it certainly seems like there is a big hole out there that no one can explain - and teh only thing that some people are willing to do is to rule out anything that has to do with a God even though they have no idea what to replace it with.

    That is the kind of "blind loyalty" I was referring to earlier in this thread.
     
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    This blurb says more than half of teh modern phyla showed up in the cambrian. That's why the 11 confuses me.

     
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    yeah, i think the reason is that many of these phyla are dead ends.

    the majority of animals today show up in like 9 or 10 different phyla, even tho i think the generally agree that there are something like 35 phyla that have been indentified.


    in reality, there's probably heirarchy here, too. phyla (indeed, all taxonomic identifiers) have additional groupings. phyla are grouped into superphyla. how many superphyla showed up then? the phyla classification of these animals is arbitrary and very much in debate.
     

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