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What happens to the unsaved?

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by 84niner, Jul 1, 2009.

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    Hmm. :thinking: Imma research that and post a response later.
     
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    "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands." --Revelation 20:4
     
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    What is the Mark?
     
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    So, you're saying that people will receive a mark of 666 placed on their forehead and hand?
     
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    Nope. John's saying it.
     
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    There is a different interpretation from where you read this verse from. The best source to get the correct interpretation of the word "on" is actually "in"., and that person is Bullinger.

    I get my source from the Companion Bible (The Authorized Version of 1611) translated by E.W. Bullinger using the original Hebrew and Greek languages.

    The mark of the beast is not a number 666 placed on your forehead or right hand. It is a mark that is place "in" your forehead and "in" your right hand.

    Question: Using common sense would you let someone place the number 666 on your forehead or hand or do you know anyone that would also let someone place this number on their forehead or hand?

    I have heard for years from teachers, pastors and those that have doctor as part of their name say that a mark of 666 or a computer chip or how about a bar code will be placed on your forehead and hand. This is traditions of man and these are the same people that preaches about the Rapture which also is not true.

    666 is the number of the anti-christ and this is lies, deception, etc. convincing people that don't know the Truth/Word and many people will accept the anti-christ as the true Christ therefore, being deceived. It's not the mark of 666 being placed on foreheads but putting false lies "in" foreheads (your brain) and right hand (the mark in the hand is where people "work" for Satan).

    I will return later and give scriptures from the Companion Bible showing the proper interpretation showing the word "on" should be according to Greek and Hebrew should be "in" the forehead or brain.

    Thanks for being patient with me.......
     
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    Hasbeen99 to complete my answer from yesterday.

    The following verses are taken from the Companion Bible (The authorized version of 1611). Translated by R.W. Bullinger using the original Hebrew and Greek languages. Also, James Moffatt does not have the word "on" the forehead.

    Rev. 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
    Note: People follow anti-christ who is claiming to be the Messiah. This is what is "in" their brain which is a lie and they are deceived and those that work for anti-christ meaning in their right hand (working for Satan).

    Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Vs 10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation....Vs 11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever, and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire, and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. (Many are not deceived by anti-christ)

    Rev 16:2 Read....(Vials now poured out on those who worshipped anti-christ. Many will be deceived because the truth as to who comes first is not preached and few study God's Word).

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hand; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (anti-christ will appear doing miracles, showing works and trying to imitate Christ work. In so doing many will be deceived)
     
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    I respectfully disagree. Bullinger's Companion Bible is a KJV with his commentary through the Old Testament. The KJV was translated and retranslated from Hebrew/Greek into Latin, and then 17th century English, and so on.

    The NIV and NASB versions are direct translations from 1st century copies of Hebrew/Greek Scripture (known as "The Dead Sea Scrolls") into modern English. It took a large team of archeologists, historians, theologians, and language experts about 20 years to do the translation. The NIV is basically a phrase-by-phrase translation, while the NASB is a word-by-word translation.

    With all due respect to Dr. Bullinger, he died in 1913 -- before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.
     
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    It doesn't matter when Bullinger died. Anyway, Bullinger never translated anything from the Dead Sea Scrolls nor has anyone else at this time fully has made a complete and thorough translation that I know of. If you can name one please do. The only version that I speak of is the original Kings James version. The NIV etc. will never enter my house. The NIV and NASB have been revised by people that are not qualified in translations of any language much less Greek and Hebrew. The reason is that so called scholars have changed many of the words to mean something else than what was meant from the 1611 version. Bullinger, Moffatt, Strong's, etc. translated the original languages from scrolls, documents, going back to the original language.

    Bullinger translated the Old and New Testaments.

    Question: Your Strong's Concordance...on the front of your book down at the bottom...what does it say?
     

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