Weinke looked purty good.

>> it wasn't explosive, but it certainly was "more explosive". Music can get louder without being necessarily "loud".

loud can refer to volume as in "how loud was the music" or it can mean very noisy as in "the music was loud" (among different meanings of the word "loud"). If you say "the music was louder" you are refering to volume and not saying anything as to the music was loud to begin with. You're mixing different meanings of the same word to make your point.

explosive means as to change rapidly and used to describe an offensive in football simply describes an offense that can move the ball forward often and rapidly for large chunks of yardage. to be "more explosive" means simply that you do so more often. so if your offense was not explosive in the first place it cannot then be more explosive ... i don't think.

 

You say tomato I say tomatoe. Who gives a damn really?

The Panthers have more potential to score more points with Weinke in the game IMO. That better Headcase?

I hope this to be true. Weinke seems to have two heals to the edge of the cliff ATP. As much as I hate to say it, don't believe it will take much to seal his fate here.

 

it is the joy of the argument that gets my juices flowing -- though i usually get my ass kicked. but if i cared, i wouldn't argue with mag.

there is hope in weinke. he did look better. hopefully, just good enough to win some games. but more explosive? . . .

 

I don't know how Wienke will do. His name ain't WINKY, it's Wienke, and he deserves at least a little more respect than he getts from some. I respect him and want him to do well, but our future?- The jury's still out. I don't know if he'll ever be more than decent. If I were to bet on it I'd say pretty good, at best, with inconsistancies. Of course the Panthers have NEVER had a "great winner" at QB- or really even a consistant "good winner"- someone who can 'win' the game either from behind, or when others on the team are failing to do their jobs well.

CW has always looked "lost" to me. I've seen him many times when he was with Fla State, and he didn't seem as bad as far as being lost, but he has been since he has been here. He often has a look about him like he doesn't know exactly what's happening or going on. He always uses precious timeouts by not managing his offense efficiently. I never see him audible much. Don't know if that's not allowed, or him just not doing it-either way not good. Did anybody watching the game Sunday ever believe in their heart on the last drive, after the first false start and 10 sec run off-given the time left- that we would actually get into position to score? I have NEVER felt that confident in our O- from playcalling to execution that we could ever come from behind and win if we were down with 2 mins or less. Hell a whole quarter for that matter.

CW doesn't "lead" the offense. He calls the plays and executes (loose term) what he is directed to. I just don't see a leader.

Guys off the top of my head who actually "LEAD" their offenses (at least in the NFL right now) would be guys like Favre, Manning, and Dilfer. Yeah, they do stupid things sometimes. Force things that turn out bad, but they are working their asses off to pull out a victory. They direct, audible, make shit up on the fly when things ain't working the way they're called on the sideline.

B-line lead the offense sometimes. He just was very accurate, smart, SLOW, but yet inconsistant and forced too much. We all know Collins was (is) a one man fumble and INT machine in the red-zone. If he doesn't have the D to make up for his mistakes, he loses generally. Leadership? Getting better maybe, but sucked for us.

Right now our D can make up for some O mistakes, but our O has to score. Score more than one TD and a coupla FGs, DAMMIT! You cannot count on even the most tallented-best D in the NFL to consistantly shut out opponents for 60 mins, while trying to conserve-changing a D game plan- a small lead. The O has to score and KEEP the ball for the last 4 mins of a game ( especially if they get the ball with a lead within the last 4 mins.) so the D doesn't get run down and give up the game. One score up never guarenteed any victory no matter how good your D is. Shit happens. It's happened to us almost every game we've lost over the las 3 seasons. Hell, every year for that matter.

Yeah our D has let us down in the last few minutes of the last three games, but our O didn't help by going 3 and out for their last 3-4 (or more) possessions to keep our D fresh and off the field. I'm sick of the O playing "scared to lose". Evertime we do- we lose! No matter how good your D is they are bound to make a mistake or two during 60 mins. Good offenses can find a way to score somehow. I expected that of GB and Zona, but am more than upset at our loss Sunday. Still even tho I feel the D lost it for us, our O didn't help them out one bit. We need aleader at QB. Someone who can make a play when it's needed, and help our guys keep their shit together and MANAGE the game. WR drops, yes happens, RB fumbles- for sure sometimes. But a playmaker QB makes the difference (and no, I'm not talking about a running QB MVM), just someone who manages and makes plays, CONSISTANTLY, against GOOD defenses- and ESPECIALLY against fair to average Ds.
Steve Smith should have never run the kick outa the endzone.
Where do the player brains go in the last 5 mins? Playing Smart and hard and aggressive for 60 mins might get us some more wins this year, I only hope I'm not throwing my TV out the window before the season is over. I can't afford another one this year.

 

IMO, the bottom line is more points. We need the offense to get more points. The defense should be considered 6-0 right now. The offense is 1-5 IMO. We need a explosive player and I truely hope Foster is that guy. If not, we need to get that player in the first round next year. All this team needs is points.

 

>>If you say "the music was louder" you are refering to volume

it's the modifier that expresses change that's important, and you've missed that, or by your skipping of the explanation, ignored it. Certainly, there's never been anything about this offense that's quantified by explosive, ever. So in that regard, yes, you're correct.

The offense is more potent. Does that help? Downfield more, more yards per completion, same completion rate. No lose, as long as it stays as such. I don't care who it is, but the calls have to get better, and if that means with Weinke we stop being full of shit and give him the shotgun on third and 12 instead of giving him the handoff, that's something. Let's hope in this case we decide to right the ship and actually start calling some decent strategies.

 

yep, draw plays on third and 12 late in the game are gettin' real old.

I'd love to see CW audible out of it when there's 8 in the 'box', and pass. Maybe he'd cure Henning of this stupid redundant call.
Maybe u r right MVM, the offense ain't all that bad, and Henning's plan for the most part is OK, but the playcalling sucks IMO. It's just too much BEYOND conservative. That 'strategery' just ain't working. Maybe Fox needs to step up and put the screws to Henning when he loses his glasss.

 

turnovers will be the key for weinke. from what i've seen of this offense, that's the base for the whole thing. just manage the game and make good decisions.

 

Yep. Weinke's got a knack for floating a few.

Atlanta will not be easy. This next stretch of games will define our season. I REALLY hope Weinke steps up and plays great. I don't want to have qb questions going into next year. WR questions - fine. QB questions - bad.

 

>> if that means with Weinke we stop being full of shit and give him the shotgun on third and 12 instead of giving him the handoff, that's something

expect to see the shotgun more with weinke. he has a preference for it and peete didn't. but, don't be surprised to see him hand off on a draw from it on 3rd and 12. that was actually a favorite and effective play for the oilers years ago. course they had earl. when it loses 2 yards for us, expect to hear a collective groan from the members here.

tell me honestly, no horsecrap, how do you ya really feel? with our lack of offensive talent and the chances that something bad will happen seemingly much more probable than something good happenin when trying to pass in an obvious passing situation, isn't it good strategy to play conservative if you have the lead or are in FG range? what exactly is the line between playing "scared" and playing "smart"? (and i am not referring to playing "he hate me.")

Piper thinks it a "good" call to call a pass even though it failed, which was highly probable considering that we have a complete lack of offensive talent. And even though it was a "safe" pass play designed to have little risk of sack or interception, something much worse than an incomplete pass coulda happened considering who was throwing and the panther's seemingly run of bad luck. If a failed pass play is a "good" call then what exactly is a "bad" call? To me, a good call is one that either works or had a high probability to work when called. I don't think the panther's ever have a high probabity of a pass play working. Therefore, IMO any call for a pass is a bad call unless it works. Course, i pretty much feel the same about our running game. Therefore, IMO if henning calls any play that doesn't work, then he pretty much fucked up. It doesn't matter to me that the pass was overthrown or the receiver dropped the ball or the lineman jumped offsides. He gets paid a lot of money to take that into account and come up with plays on every down that even the panthers can't screw up.

>> it's the modifier that expresses change that's important, and you've missed that

knew what he meant, was just funning with him. it's just amusing to see the word explosive and the panther offense in the same sentence. and not to quibble, but "potent" is not exactly a word that rushes to mind when someone mentions the panther offense either.