Troy Vincent

I don't know at what point you transformed from potentially useful poster to "I don't post unless I can make a snide remark in response to Collin," but cut it out. Clearly you're not stupid enough to have completely missed the point, despite attempts to appear that ignorant. Minter and McCree are slow to react in coverage, have limited range, and force us to play soft with our CBs. Seattle exploited all of those weaknesses perfectly, and we simply won't be able to stop someone like that until we do something different. If all you want is to be good enough to beat the bad teams, then make the playoffs and lose, we're fine. If you want to be a championship team, we need to improve our pass defense.

 

Our whole team played like crap against Seattle and if you had half as much football wisdom as you think you do you would quit citing that game as backup for your opinions.

For the bulk of the year our pass defense was decent. There were a few games where we struggled but for the most part it was solid. If Jenkins gets back healthy and we once again have that push up the middle to compliment our outside pressure then our pass defense will be even better. Besides that you are not going to get a massive upgrade to our pass defense by replacing McCree with a player who is better in coverage.

 

Ok, so let me get this straight. It was a perfect illustration of what I was talking about, and I actually predicted exactly how we'd struggle in coverage before the game, but I'm stupid for using the example because other members of the team also played poorly? That's interesting, especially since I also predicted how many of them would struggle as well.

True, but our safeties struggled in coverage all year long. Fortunately we didn't play that many teams that had good passing attacks. In fact if you look at the rankings of the teams we faced, a lot of them were well below average. The ones who were near the top (Arizona, Green Bay, Seattle) shredded us.

Yes, we would. Having a competent free safety would allow us to play something other than cover 3 once in a while, although as mentioned, that's Fox's preferred defense anyway. There's a whole chicken and egg thing as to why we don't have a quality FS. But note that I'm not ragging on McCree. He's fine as a strong safety, but Minter is playing out of position at free safety and it creates some significant holes in our coverage that any solid passing attack can exploit at will.

 

Semi-kidding about bringing him back, but I wouldn't see Vincent as much of an asset either. If it's cheap, sure. I would love to have him for depth. If it's cheap. I don't think he's worth a lot of money at this point in his career, but someone could very well end up overpaying.

 

Don't flatter yourself. I've been busy at work* and taking a break from the boards whenI came across this thread. You made an obviously incorrect statement and instead of simply showing your intelligence and saying "you know, maybe I was wrong" you decided to attack the messenger. Do we have the best secondary in the game? Nope. Do we have other needs that take priority over upgrading our secondary? Hell yes. Stick with your rare talent LT argument as that one has merit but we are already over the cap and have need positions far more critical. If we can bring back McCree for a good price lock him down and move on. Don't go chicken little on our secondary when the stats obviously don't support it.

*I have a busy day today so don't expect another reply before tomorrow earliest.

 

Don't start this crap.

 

Sorry, you're right. Please disregard. I'm not looking for a fight here. I'll let the information stand on its own.

 

IMO, it would be nice to go more than, say three months, without a thread that is entitled "_________" (add aging player's name here that was once purty good but now ain't any better than the average player we have at the same postion but has a 'name' that correlates with past 'star' status),

followed of course, by a post which anticipates related discussions about opinions that are expected to be in agreement (because of said 'name') as in like: "fukin A, I'd love to have that dood on the cheap or at _____ price- great mutherfreakin post/thread, man!".

Not only is it a waste of space, time and effort, but it usually turns into an argument, etc.

It also gets tiresome to not only have to put up with said arguments as to "why _____ is a great player", and "you're an idiot for thinking that", not to mention that said name player prolly will never wear a panther uniform anyway, but also it gets tirsome to see that name thread at the top, everyfreakin day for a month till the next name gets posted.

TIA

 

not much else to do this time of year, good or bad.

And I think we could do worse than what Vincent could offer, for a little while. I hope McCree doesn't rape us, because I'm assuming we give him what he's after.

 

#1) The stats do support it.

GB @ Car: Brett Favre throws for 303 yards and 4 touchdowns.

Car @ Ari: Josh McCown throws for 394 yards and 2 touchdowns.

Car @ Sea: Matt Hasselbeck throws for 219 yards and 2 touchdowns.

In the NFL you don't get to face Joey Harrington, Brooks Bollinger, Kyle Orton, J.P. Losman, and Michael Vick every week. This season we benefitted from a very easy slate of quarterbacks, but the '06 schedule is not so forgiving. Teams that had solid passing attacks did very well against us with the exception of New England, and that was because we pressured Brady consistently.


#2) Look beyond the stats and actually watch the games.

We consistently had large holes in the middle of our zone because our safeties would drop so deep because their limited range forced them to stay back to prevent receivers from getting behind them. We also had to play soft coverage with our CBs most of the year because our two safeties couldn't be trusted to handle deep responsibilities by themselves. That forced a lot of 3 deep, although as mentioned, that is Fox's preferred defense anyway. But seriously, how many times did we see McCree and Minter deliver the big hit on a receiver? That's what they had to do because they could rarely actually get there before the ball and make a play on it to break up the pass before it was completed.