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>>you're being blind to the obvious. he broke in before Carter ever released the ball.

Without an overhead shot, you can’t say for certain. All I’ve got is Grant’s description of the play, which are available at charlotte.com. I’ve got to take his word over your guess.

And yes, it was still a bad play, but you are still guessing “blindly” as to what happened.



>>somebody has responsibility

Again, you are guessing. Could have been Howard, could have been Grant, or Minter. Depending on the call.

And again, even the refs thought that was a forward pass. sometimes you tip your hat to a well executed play. I'd rather stay aggressive, as aggresive does well for us.


>>So make up your mind. Is Henning making good calls or bad calls? How is it a good call if the play doesn't work, whether of not the receiver dropped the ball?

My mind is clear. That play was a good call, just poor execution. In general, play calling sucked. 13 points is not going to do it very often against even mediocre teams.

 

Can't blame the kicker this time. The snap was low and Sauerbrun had to scramble a little to set it up. The bad snap threw off his timing.

 

>> Without an overhead shot, you can’t say for certain. All I’ve got is Grant’s description of the play, which are available at charlotte.com. I’ve got to take his word over your guess.

i thought it was more than just a guess. simply geometry. can't get from where he was to where he got without him taking off before the ball was thrown. but if he said "it wasn't me" then musta not been him. whew, that's a strong argument.

>> Again, you are guessing. Could have been Howard, could have been Grant, or Minter.

but i think it's an educated guess. the free safety would normally have deep coverage. and as McFly said, the FS's priority is to not lose coverage until you know the ball is past the line of scrimmage. the FS is generally the centerfielder whose primary function is to stop the home run ball. typically, the strong safety would come up in run support.

>> as aggresive does well for us

didn't do so well on that play. i think you play aggressive but you also play smart, especially when you have the game in hand.

 

>>i thought it was more than just a guess. simply geometry. can't get from where he was to where he got without him taking off before the ball was thrown. but if he said "it wasn't me" then musta not been him. whew, that's a strong argument.

Not in zone, dufous. You make a play on the ball, not the reciever. He came up reacting to the throw, and overshot it.


>>the free safety would normally have deep coverage.

Free Safeties don’t have run support? Tell that to Ronnie Lott. It depends totally on the coverage involved, and to which side. Was their a blitz? Was Howard supposed to have over the top help? We play 2-deep zone generally, and in a standard call, Minter and Grant split that responsibility. We don’t have “one guy” who is responsible for the entire deep zone.

 

In the cover two both safeties are basically free. Deep halves. The only way one safety would be up would be in a fake blitz situation in which he'd have a short third or quarter depending on the situation, and the defense would adjust behind by either having one corner back off and play halves (not usually done unless in nickel) or have both corners play back and the FS is middle half or middle third in three deep. Neither play closer to the line or have less pass/run responsibility, play side or back side. They're both basically using free safety principles.

Grant reacted the wrong way. He was out of position, by about 7 yards, not 10 or 30. If he broke on the ball, he did so very near the point where Carter would have crossed the LOS and stopped for the throw. I don't know if he would have had a chance to make a tip anymore than when he tried to pick it, but running back toward the receiver wouldn't have gotten it done either. He got caught in a spot and tried to make the play.

And that was one play. Smith had one for six points, plus two first downs, Graham or the holder can be accountable for leaving three. Minter didn't get there in time on one, Witherspoon blew his cover entirely. That's too many plays to say one play or one guy did it. Any of these plays go right and we're not talking about a loss.

 

okay, i give. the name calling is starting to flow and i really don't care that you refuse to admit to the obvious. from my view, i think Carter was running for his life, looked up and saw Galloway standing all alone because Grant had reacted to him (Carter) and left his coverage. Carter then heaved the ball on the dead run for all he was worth and barely got it over Grant to Galloway who was a good 7 (?) yards behind Grant. if Grant had stayed in coverage, Carter hangs on to the ball, takes what he can get and gets OB.

if it was as isolated instance of blowing his coverage, then you point it out and just pray it doesn't happen and cost you a game again. if it is a continuing problem, it needs to get fixed.

to me there's a lot of difference between the mental lapse that Grant had and the missing of a FG. there's a lot of timing and things that can go wrong between the center, the holder and the kicker. you have to accept some missed 48 yard FGs even from the best in the game. i also think there's a lot of difference between a receiver having bad hands or in Smith's case (being almost solely a returner before this year) misplaying a ball while trying to learn the skills of a new position. in Smith's case, it's not a case of having the stupids; therefore, it's not something benching would fix unless you have someone that can do the job better. since he is much better than what's behind him, about all you can do this season with Smith is continue to give him reps and hope his hands and reactions to the ball improve. next season you can try to get a better WR. on the other hand, if you have a continuing case of the stupids on defense i think you have to bench till stupid wakes up.

i know your view (and your view of me). you know mine. let's leave it at that while i still hold you and most of your opinions in high regard.

 

If you get a chance, look at play again. It was the corner (don't remember who) who stepped up as Carter came to the LOS. Grant was free in the middle or deep half. He was coming across the field, which is tough to judge a ball in the air.
My photographic memory tells me that the way Galloway was framed he appeared to be all alone, then Grant flashes in from the side and gets his finger tips on the ball.
It was a good play, just slightly misjudged. That's the way the ball bounces sometimes.
Grant, IMO, has played VERY well thus far. I've been watching him pretty closely and he looks comfortable and makes pretty good plays on the ball, unfortunately, this one didn't work out that well.
He gambled and lost, plain and simple. Still, it wasn't a bad gamble...just a bad result.

 

That would just be Sandi

 

Nope. That was quite a few people.

Weinke in my opinion will do just as well as Peete. The bottom line is, if we play the game not to lose in the 4th quarter with a lead, we're gonna lose. We're better off being 3 points down and trying to come back. At least then we'll run the offense.