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Thing is, Richardson makes the same mistakes as Grant. I think he was looking back into the pocket, came up, and was out of position. I'll be suprised if he gets pulled.

Minter was out of position on the last TD.

And sorry, Henning's play calling was terrible.

Tuten should go.

 

Yes. And Minter should've stuck that receiver instead of trying to bat the ball away.

 

I do agree, FOX will not sit there week after week like our previous cowardly coach did. I trust he'll make changes. I have no idea what they are.

 

>> Thing is, Richardson makes the same mistakes as Grant.

yea and maybe more and he doesn't have the talent. still, somehow, grant needs to learn his fucking position and it doesn't seem to be happening. i know it's dicey going with Richardson but the idea is to make an impression on Grant that he can't fuck up like that. i say bench him. course that's what i said about Terry after a preseason disaster and they got that straightened out without benching him, so who knows. maybe just the fact that he lost the game for us will be enough to make an impression on him.

hennings playcalling was good enough we should have won. i find it amusing that you defend weinke by pointing to all the penalties and dropped balls and lack of weapons but those same points don't somehow help to defend henning's playcalling. not that there weren't some calls that i wasn't disgusted with or that thought weren't just plain weird. but i think that happens to all teams especially against good defenses, which i think the cowgirls are suppose to have. and also when you're offense doesn't have any go to guys that you can count on to make plays for ya. when weinke or peete go back to pass, i hold my breath. when they had off the ball, i am expecting to see smith get stopped at the line of scrimmage. we don't have any speed anywhere of the field on offense and our receivers have the dropsies. it's hard to be aggressive with that kinda lineup. it's pretty much a no win situaton with our offense. so you try to win with your defense. hit a 20 yard FG and we probably beat GB as their defense seemed spent. the ball doesn't pop back to plummer we beat AZ. and grant keeps coverage, we are 6-0 despite hennings play calling. 6-0 with an offense that has no legit playmakers would be unfuckingbelivable and no one would give your complaints about the playcalling the time of day.

 

You don't give up just because one WR has the case of dropsies, or Tuten can't keep still. Hell, we had false starts on run plays. Keep at it, when you are in position to do so. 3 times we were, and Henning got scared.

3 times we had the ball inside the 30, and got down their passing the ball. We called 3 give up runs. Result, 2 FGs, and a missed FG.

Henning called the game scared, IMO.

Weinke had nearly 15 yards per reception. He threw downfield plenty. Hell, I was wondering if we ran any intermediate routes.

 

>> You don't give up just because one WR has the case of dropsies, or Tuten can't keep still.

our offense has more problems than that. you make conservative calls, try to wear them down and lull them to sleep (and me) and then look for some big plays. we don't have the players to march up and down the field consistently against a good defense. we shoulda scored 17 points in the first half -- despite several penalties that kept putting us into a hole. in second half, i'm sure henning was worried about weinke doing something stupid to lose the game, which i think was a reasonable fear.

>> 3 times we had the ball inside the 30, and got down their passing the ball. We called 3 give up runs. Result, 2 FGs, and a missed FG.

i didn't tape so can't argue with ya. seemed like if first half we suddenly started throwing the ball alot, which seemed weird but it was working. we moved the ball well and then started running the ball when we got into FG position. i agree, it was weird as the pass seemed to have been working well. sometimes i think henning is pulling plays out of his hat without any rhyme or reason.

in second half, it didn't seem like they were letting weinke throw much. if i had been calling the plays i wouldn't have let him throw much. i still too scared of him. plus we had the game in hand -- so i thought. he did have more good completions than i immediately recalled. i was remembering a couple of short passes to Moose, which were nice to see. he also had a couple of short passes (i think) dropped by smith. then of course, he had to throw at the end and had a couple of nice completions that helped his stats while they were in a prevent mode. still they did not come close to scoring a TD with him in the game and his pass completion to end the game was a disaster. no way a "winner" throws that pass there -- game over.

 

It would be pointless and counterproductive to bench Grant. He made one (1) bad play. That's it. And even that play was not as bad as some make it sound. The end result was bad, but he had a legitimate play on the ball, he just misjudged it. The only thing benching him would do is undermine his confidence and guarantee more mistakes by having a barely serviceable back-up starting.

Also, if your going to bench players for one mistake, then Minter needs to be benched for giving up that last touchdown, Stuesse needs to be cut for costing us 5 yards and 10 seconds in the last 1/2 minute of the game, and S. Smith needs to be put to pasture for not getting up fast enough and costing us a TO to start our last drive.

The point is that we had breakdowns and bad decisions all around. But benching a player everytime he makes a mistake is reactionary at best, and foolish at worst. Now if that player has had a history of mistakes, then a change may be needed, but that is not the case in Grants case.

There were many goats, and to put the loss on one person is unfair in the extreme. After all, if Smith had caught that perfect pass from Peete for a TD we would have won, or if Graham had hit his missed FG more solidly, or any number of other mistakes that we made. Instead, let's identify the big issues that are leading to our collapses for the drastc action, and individually correct the random mistakes.

 

>> put the loss on one person is unfair in the extreme

he lost the game for us. plain and simple. sure, other things could have happened or not happened and we coulda been winning the game 50-0 with 4 minutes left and no one would cared if Grant gave up a TD by trying to be a hotdog. but the facts are: he was the safety and it was his job to make sure that that kinda play did not happen in the situation we were in. the team had played hard and had the game won and all it took was for him to be a dumbass on that one play for the cowgirls to get back in the game. minter/witherspoon's play at the end of the game shoulda never been an issue. it's not the only time he has blown coverage. the coaches have made reference to his mental lapses previously. the difference between grant's play and those you mention is the degree of stupidity. and you cannot afford to have a stupid safety.

i am not one for benching players everytime they make a mistake. how you leap to that conclusion because i suggest it now is beyond me (in fact, come to think of it, i think i was one of the few that didn't think benching Terry was the right answer). but i think if you have a continuing problem you need to address it. sometimes it may take benching the player to make the impression that needs to be made particurlary if you feel the problem is lack of effort or mental discipline. in this case, i think benching may be appropriate because it's strictly a mental thing that he doesn't seem to be getting.

 

Yep. He wasn't the weak link on coverage, and he tried to pick a ball that was over his head. One play. He wasn't four penalties, he wasn't missed tackles, he didn't turn around to catch a pass as if it were a punt or drop two other passes. He wasn't any more out of position than Witherspoon on the other TD pass, nor for Minter who had a chance to play on the ball. It makes no sense to bench a player for one mistake. I guess we should only bench players we don't like?

>>in second half, it didn't seem like they were letting weinke throw much.

As if Peete has been throwing much? It's those shitty percentages, the run first down run second down and then check the chart to see if third and "______" can be converted and then run a draw. We don't throw much. And yet Weinke had two and a half times the number of first downs Peete had.

 

>>he lost the game for us. plain and simple.

It doesn't even make sense to say Grant lost the game by himself. We still had the lead after the TD, so no, it was impossible for him to lose it all alone. True, he contributed to it, I'm not disputing that. But to lay the blame solely on him is very biased and unfair.

>>sure, other things could have happened or not happened and we coulda been winning the game 50-0 with 4 minutes left

Yeah, like Smith catching a perfectly thrown ball in the endzone. If he had done his job, Grants mistake would be a moot point.

>>but the facts are: he was the safety and it was his job to make sure that that kinda play did not happen in the situation we were in.

I completely agree it was his job to make sure that play did not happen, and I don't dispute that if he had tried to make the "safe" play, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact is that he thought he could make the play, and he got burned. That's not being a hotdog, that's playing aggressive. And when you play aggressive, sometimes you get burned. Del Rio and Fox have preached aggression and making plays on defense, not playing soft and passive.

>>minter/witherspoon's play at the end of the game shoulda never been an issue.

Or maybe if they had done their jobs (along with the rest of the defense), his mistake should never have been an issue.

>>it's not the only time he has blown coverage. the coaches have made reference to his mental lapses previously.

That's based on last years play. They have been nothing but complimentary of him this season.

>>i am not one for benching players everytime they make a mistake. how you leap to that conclusion because i suggest it now is beyond me

You are reading too much into it. I wasn't saying you suggested that, only making the point that if you want to bench 1 player because he made just one mistake, then there are far more than only Grant that need to be benched...most of whom have made many more than just one mistake.

>>i think benching may be appropriate because it's strictly a mental thing that he doesn't seem to be getting.

I don't agree, it was a simple mistake. It is not a problem we have seen from him this year (Last year, yes, but not this season). So I don't see it as a mental thing, just an overly aggressive one. And I have no doubt that Fox and Del Rio will be letting him know in no uncertain terms that he has to use better judgement in that situation.