The official Deshaun Foster thread....

the Point(s) I was going after was let not overpay a player who has has an injury history like we did with Morgan

I don't want to pay him relative to what Alexander, or James get. if we can sign him to a incentive (health related) deal - I'm all for it.

Dan had a broken leg, and a shoulder injury also, eirely similar to DF, that's what scare's me.

 

the "international symbol for injury-prone" is Jason Peter, but that was roids and being too big. Foster and Morgan share a common tie - they let players get free shots on the body. It's not so much that Morgan isn't getting low, as that he doesn't protect his legs/body; Foster runs too high, and that's what gets him in trouble. You want players to get contact on the shoulder pads, not the breast plate, not the legs, and so on. Not that Foster should go and try to hit every defender possible, but you want to deliver contact (without your helmet, Nick!) rather than absorb it, and you want to take it on the areas designed for that contact (rather than the more fragile areas, that also happen to hold the football).

Of course, Foster can be a majority-carry back, but I think history's shown that he's more frequently banged up the more he gets the ball. Granted, chance goes up at that point as well, but situationally he doesn't have as many problems. Which is why, if we did sign him, we'd need someone who can take base-offense carries. Which is a further expense. My problem with a signing (and I stated well over a year ago that I didn't want Foster or Morgan signed to long-term deals) is that it'd most likely come at the initial assumption that he's that feature back; and I'm not comfortable with that. We'd need more than Goings to back him.

it's not the knee. It's nothing more than ill luck and a running style that leaves him open to contact.

 

Good perspective Mags.

Running high does leave him exposed. That does bother me.

The guy is just a freak. Ability to keep runs going. Breaking away from would be tacklers. To me, he is a better back than Timmy B. was.

To me.....if healthy, he would lead the league in total yards one day. Problem is, he might not play a full slate anytime soon.

 

He would be scary in a WCO.....I wish we could have gotten something for him before last season.

 

I don't think that running high has anything to do with Foster's injuries since he joined our team. He went down untouched with the knee injury, landed on his shoulder with a player on his back to break the collar bone, and got tackled from behind with a player rolling up his leg for the ankle break...

 

I didnt see this mentioned but wasnt Foster's knee actually torn up at home against Dallas when all it really initially looked like he did was mabe hyper extend it. If I remember it was one of those plays when the whole defense sort of stops the guy and it looks like on big group of guys pushing one player back and Desaun was fighting it.

Didnt look there was much he could have done differant except stop pushing and just go down.

How he broke the collar bone I do not recall

The Ankle was unfortunate but again nothing he could have done.

Other than his upward running style, his injuries and some concern about how he holds the pigskin he is a great back.

I am on the fence. Personally there are some big name guys and I hope we can retain him without backing up a dump truck load of money, but if that's what it takes we probably need to let him limp out of town.

 

Proprietor:
It's a minor thing, but would you mind posting in paragraphs instead of putting a space between every sentence? I don't know why, but reading that is very hard on the eyes.

Anyway, I think you're forgetting that DeShaun also had a track record of injuries in college (interestingly, Dan and Tim didn't).
I agree that he exposes himself to too many hits, but I also think that his body simply doesn't take punishment well. Moreover, Foster isn't that good. His only 100 yard games came against bad defenses (KC, Atlanta), and one against a team missing its best run-stopping DT and all three starting linebackers (NYG). I wouldn't mind having him back on the cheap, but we have to understand that, like Morgan, Foster isn't very good even when healthy. He's usable, but not a game changer.

 

Morgan not very good when healthy?

 

Collin-

I

disagree.

Frankly, I think Foster is a good back. I don't think he's great, but I do think he has freakish talent. That does not make him a great back, but I do think he is above average.

Which is why I would be more than happy to retain him for above average dollars, just not Edgerrin James dollars. Every time he's hurt himself in the pros, it's not from running high. He does run high, but that's not what did him in with regards to any of his three major injuries.

And, yea....sorry 'bout my bulletpoints.

 

That was my question.