The Koran

Muslims...we are muslims not moslems. i dont call you xtian. No one said that they were the same God. Thats why its another religion. You say that you dont think Yaweh and Allah are the same but then it seems that you argue that the Christian God is not the the same as Allah. I thought that Yaweh is different than the Christian God. Allah and Yaweh have lots in common. The Bible and the Qu'ran have lots in common yet it is different. Where do they contradict each other. I dont know the Bible that well but tell me where? Because I think this is wrong.

How does the Bible treat men and women equally? "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow
nd thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth
hildren; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he
hall rule over thee."
Genesis 3:16, KJV

see also
"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest
apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided
hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which
becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let
the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer
not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man,
but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was
in the transgression."
1 Timothy 2:9-14, KJV

The Koran is just as equal as the Bible. I am follow Allah and I have a girlfriend who is quite a strong woman.
On Polygamy:
The verse in the Qu'ran that you are thinking of :
"If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them) then only one." (Al-Nisa', 4:3)

But if you would read on to a subsequent verse that states: "You are never able to be fair and just between women even if that were your ardent desire." (Al-Nisa', 4:129)

Therefore polygamy is only allwed in the case of war and orphans. This was due to the overwhelming poverty and constant strife in the area at the time (which still goes on really). It was following period of tragedy in Islam after the battle of Uhud, when lots of men from the Muslim community in Medina were killed in one day. Numerous women and children were left without anything. To deal with this problem, Allah revealed the verse permitting men to be polygamous. The man who wants to be polygynous must have the ability to be just to all his wives. The verse is a call for just conduct towards women, not a right for men to fulfill their lust. And just treatment here means more than a man's monetary ability to support more than one wife: He must be fair in all ways, including in the time, support, and companionship he provides to his wives and children. If the guy fears he cant deal with all his wives, then Allah advocates that he should marryy only 1 as this will ensure equality.

 

there are several schools of thought in the Christian world that i have heard believe the Jews lost their place as God's chosen people for the rejection. seems like it would be that same for Christians

 

but the jews don't believe jesus was the messiah. are they worshipping the same god, but just improperly? if you say the christian god and the jewish god are the same, then i would think allah would be the same as well. or else, they're all three seperate gods who are similar.

 

I've only read as much of the Qur'an as I've posted here, so I don't know what prophecies are found in it yet. What I do know is that the Arabic culture has the same patriarch as the Jewish culture -- Abraham. So if you go back far enough, it goes back to one man, one God. But that's cultural, not doctrinal.

I also know that Mohammed wrote the Qur'an some 600 years after Jesus' death, and a couple of thousand years (roughly) after Abraham's death. He wrote it to a culture that traditionally speaking, probably still feels cheated out of God's blessing going all the way back to Jacob and Esau.

So far, most of what I've read in the Qur'an seems like a rant against Israel for blowing the blessing they never deserved in the first place. It seems as though Esau is still fighting with Jacob to gain favor in their father's eyes.

At least the Qur'an acknowledges Jesus. In fact, the Qur'an gives Him more credit than do the Jews.

 

There are several verses in the New Testament that would support that assertion. I think Paul is the first one who starts preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, but only after he tries to preach to the Jews and they reject both him and his teaching. (Understandible, really, seeing as how he was a Pharisee.) I don't know that the 'leveling of the playing field' between Jews and Gentiles was so much about the Jews being smacked down, though, as it was about the Gentiles being lifted up. Just my opinion, though (as a Gentile ).

In retrospect, I may have tried to read too much into that verse (2:89). There were several prophets, and Israel rejected many, if not all of them. Seems they got tired of God's messengers calling them out and airing their dirty laundry.

 

Good point.

 

My last dealings in business with the Nation of Islam in these parts left a sincere feeling that they found themselves to be in tune to, and in worship of, the same God.
That's not the same message, necessarily, that Farrakhan or an islamic fundamentalist or so on would necessarily say, but it's what I have to work upon. I think largely the greatest differences between Islam and Christianity are in culture and application, as far as how each are viewed in Western Culture, along with the basic fundamentals between how they view Christ and Mohammad.

 

i get the impression that the nation of islam is to islam what baptists are to catholics.