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The Koran

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by jbghostrat, Mar 15, 2004.

  1. Village Idiot

    Village Idiot cloud of dust

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    Very well said
     
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    its not a hate of Jews but you are correct that many Muslims don't want a state called Israel. Muslims feel this way for the same reasons your people feel there should be that state. If you trace it back far enough Jews believe that God designated the land in Israel as theirs. Muslims believe that God gave them the right to it. All religions think that they are God's chosen people. Why would you be Jewish if you thought Muslims were god's people. You can't say that the Koran is a book of hate anymore than you can say the Torah is. Both lay claim to the land for the same reason. this is simply an arguement over who is god's people and it is actualized in a land deal.
     
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    Well, that and the fact that they had lived there up until 55 years ago or so, then they got thrown out on their asses.
     
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    dude the Jews were there for thousands of years too (think Moses). When you look over there its not about political maps and established governmental centers its about inherited land from 1000s of years ago and people wanting to be governed by their own people. Its very much like the Hindi/Islamic issues that arose during the partition of Pakistan and India from the British Empire (and later the creation of Bangladesh). Certain states wanted to be governed by their own people so they broke away. the Muslim states in India are not ruled any different than their Hindi neighbors and often copy the legislation to a T but at the end of the day they can see this is our area.
     
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    ECILAM Celebrate Diversity

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    :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

    I'm gonna laugh for the rest of the day.

    Thank you.
     
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    Without having read the actual texts, my experience indicates the two religions are very close, recognizing many of the same historical figures, and sharing many of the same tenets.
     
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    They just disagree on who the top prophets are and doctrinal details. As I see it, the Bible and the Koran share the same basic ideas on the following:

    -Love God and reject evil.
    -Don't be an asshole.
    -Don't have sex until you're married, and be a faithful spouse.
    -Don't kill people unless they're evil.
    -Be truthful and have integrity.
    -Family is sacred.

    Unfortunately, ideas like good and evil are subjective, and arguements over what constitutes evil and other divisive issues have taken more lives down the long centuries than the NBA has illegitimate children.
     
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    Even basic storyline is there. The parting of the seas is in there. The Garden of Eden and apple ordeal is in there. Lots of the same stories.
     
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    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    The Qur'an: The Cow

    Verse 2:24

    I wonder how Islam defines "unbelievers". If they equate 'unbeliever' with atheist, it would agree with the Bible. If they define 'believers' by Muslims exclusively, obviously it would be in sharp contrast with the Bible, but in more than one way. The Bible at least allows for people who believe in God but have never been taught the Mosaic Law or the Gospel of Jesus.
     
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    The Qur'an: The Cow

    Verse 2:25

    First reference linking salvation to good deeds.
     

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