The 'gay vs the Bible' debate......

then the same could be said for you and heterosexual relations then, correct?

 

same could be said for anything that is considered unhealthy or immoral. the person has to be willing to change.

 

So, Builder, are you calling me a liar?
I know EXACTLY what it's like, to deal with really good-looking guys, in the gym's locker room, who are "buck" naked, and hung. I know what it is like to want to reach out and touch, knowing that you can't. The guy doesn't have to be an "Adonis" to be someone I'd like to reach out and touch. I still have to work hard to not stare. I have more challenges with Grimm's Fairy Tales than I do with Victoria's Secret.

 

Curly:
You are correct.

 

Are you happily married to a woman now?

 

I'm going to say probably no...

 

So Abinedab: Are you saying that you were a homosexual & aren't any longer? Or that you are a homosexual who is no longer practicing & happier for it? Or that you have never actually acted on such desires & that conversion has helped you to deal with it?

I'm guessing that since you felt that builder was calling you a liar by saying that only gays experience that feeling, that you don't consider yourself to be gay. Is this correct?

 

Yes.

 

I have indeed had many sexual experiences with many men. It's a long story, one I don't mind going into, but for now, the "Reader's Digest" version is that my father was a verbally- and physically-abusive alcoholic, who made me feel like shit. However, I still wanted to make him happy, thinking that if I did, he would love me. Never happened. He always sabotaged my efforts, or he criticized me severly, making my efforts worthless.

I do not consider myself to be gay. My younger brother considers himself to be gay, and to have been born that way. I wanted a father figure's love, but believed that the closest that I would ever get to that, was a sexual act with a man. I pursued men old enough to be my father. I needed gay porn to masturbate. But in all this, it seemed to me that the harder I tried to get to my goal, the farther away it got. There were always more hoops to jump through, or men that I met just plain lied, and/or ignored me if I met them again. Meeting them a second time was always coincidence; no one wanted to arrange a second meeting.

However, miracles do happen. About 4 years ago, I got to the place where I didn't give a damn whether I lived or died, and I told God that if He didn't do something to help me out, I was going to kill myself. I thought my family would be better off without me. I didn't give a damn what would happen to me, after I had died. I'm glad that God answered my prayer.

NOTE: to those of you that think suicide is an option, PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T DO IT. SUICIDE IS NOT REVERSIBLE! I'm grateful that I don't yet know what is on the other side of death. Only One Man has died, and has come back to tell us about it. SEEK A COUNSELOR WHOM YOU TRUST, AND BE OPEN AND HONEST!

I have never had a sexually-transmitted disease of any kind, and I am HIV neg. Both me and my wife have had blood tests.

 

wow.

that took balls.