The curse of Ham

It seems that people use this as a justification for the slavery of black people. I'm trying to find the truth out about things cause i'm so tired of hearing a particular uncle use this and repeat this crap constantly. Use to just laugh him off as an idiot and ignorant but it's become apparent that his kid (12) listens to his crap and believes it. The kid's mom sees a lot of trouble coming from this kid and while we were on vacation asked me and my brother if we would be more in his life and do more things with him.

So all this has stirred in me to find the truth for myself and be able to have a comeback to my uncle instead of letting him keep passing on this rascist crap.

so i look up the curse of Ham and it speaks of when Noah cursed Ham:

Genesis 9:20-25 tells us, "Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers."


so this is suppose to be the basis of slavery for black people. I have some questions. How is it that Noah has such authority to place a "curse" on ham that would result in the slavery and the inferiority of black people? Wouldn't something this huge have to come from God himself and not some drunken naked man?
and what did his son do that was so wrong. he walked in on old drunken naked noah. big deal! But i've been around drunks and they do get offended pretty easily and some stupid crap does come out of their mouths. But how can slavery of blacks be justified by this right here?

 

Gen. 9:21-27 Read)

Basically, Ham had sex with his fathers wife and Ham's son Canaan was born. Canaan therefore, not being Noah's natural flesh son sent Canaan away. (Noah never cursed Ham...Noah sent him away).

Leviticus 18:8

The nakedness of your fathers wife you shall not uncover; it is your fathers nakedness. (Note: This also covers concubines (Gen 35:22)

Levitics 20:11

The man who lies with his fathers wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall surely be upon them. (Note: this includes mother-n-law or step mothers).

 

But how do the Christians justify Europeans enslaving Africans with these passages?

 

Ok that's the first time i read that Canaan was the result of Ham having sex with Noah's wife. Anyways, isn't all this talk about Ham having sex with Noah's wife and all the talk that maybe he had sex with Noah while he layed drunken and naked...isn't that all speculation? where is it in the text that any of this occured?

 

1. Canaan could not have been conceived from Noah but by his wife.

2. This was not a homosexual act.

3. Canaan was not Noah's son. Therefore, Noah did not bless Canaan. It is still customary today for jews to bless their children by laying on of hands.

4. "All races" in the old testament times were those taken into captivity and made slaves.

5. Noah could not turn anybody black by cursing them.

Uncovered (1540) Gen. 9:21 means denude.
Cursed (779) execrate-bitterly curse. Execrate means "to denounce scthingly". Also, "to loathe; abhor".

Gen 9:18 (3667) and Ham is the father of Canaan.
Gen. 9:22 (3667) and Ham, the father of Canaan.
Gen. 9:25 (3667) and he said, cursed be Canaan.
Kenahan (3667) humiliated; Kenaan, a son of Ham; also the country inhabited by him.

Then in Chap. 9:25-27. Noah states Canaan will be servant of both his sons Shem and Japeth. Canaan received no inheritance. Therefore, he was to be a servant. (not a slave).

You need to do your own research. Go to the "original" sources and even go to the Hebrew texts.

 

This is so not about swine.

 

84 i am trying to figure out how people use the curse of ham as a way to justify slavery of black people. I have been doing some research and it's not an entirely christian position but also muslim and jewish.

i'll have to talk more on this later...i'm really hoping hasbeens gives his opinions.

 

Could this be "racist"...another way to put Blacks down?

Gen. 1: 27-31 God made the races in Our image....Then God saw everything He had made, and indeed it was very good.

God made all races, black, brown, white, yellow, red, etc. and it was good. So, if anyone questions why they are a certain color...you must remember that God was pleased. So, you need to stand up and be pleased.

 

I'm pleased. My significant other is a different race than me and if we were ever to have kids, would God be pleased?

 

You both are the same race...the human race.