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And Eli only played 7 games his rookie year too. Warner was the starter the majority of the year. Eli was showing improvement by the final 3 games his rookie year. Meanwhile Tebow has been consistently inconsistent. Tebows passing percentage his final 5 games as a starter were 50%, 45%, 27%, 48% and 35%.

It may be annoying but so is repeatedly saying he had a 90 rating in certain favorable situations like it implies he's an accurate passer. He's not.

So DB's don't back off WR's in certain situations and invite the short pass. QB's don't adjust at the line and OC's don't design game plans or make adjustments on the sideline to take advantage of what the defense gives them.

I've never once mentioned Tebows religiosity in this thread FWIW.

You're really going to equate Tebows problems to how black QB's were treated?

I said he was a factor in those wins. Nailing the winning figgy is pretty important. Acknowledging Praters impact is just as important as acknowledging Kasay during 2003 and Vinateri in the SB's. Praters kicking percentage during 2011 is irrelevant, he was clutch at the end with the game in the line.

Prater hit some pretty decent sized kicks for the wins. Very few gimmies, and I was being sarcastic about the Pratertime comment FWIW. I thought that was pretty obvious, guess not.

Sooner or later you're going to run out of excuses for Tebow and the stats are going to stand for what they are. I just wish you'd show that same passion in defending our own QB's.

And not once have I mentioned his horrible throwing mechanics.

 

Eight, actually. Technically he had a ninth total appearance, but he had eight games in which he threw a significant number of passes.

Surely you know how deceptive it is to cherry pick end-points. It's really convenient that you look only at Eli's last three games and not his last four games, since including the fourth would have involved a 4 for 18, 2 interception stinker.

No, it's annoying because it's stupid and a giant waste of time. Think about how dumb it is to say that "you can't just dismiss ______" when the person just got through explicitly saying that ______ needed to be improved. It's fucking retarded and makes you look bad. What that stat shows you is that Tebow was actually a pretty good quarterback except on sideline routes. Now, you need to be able to throw sideline routes to be a long-term starting quarterback, but you and the other people bashing him act like he does nothing well as a passer, which is thoroughly contradicted by the facts.

Unless they're specifically given option routes as part of the play-call then WRs don't make up their patterns as they go along, no. And a good OC would play to his quarterback's strengths. Remember that we're talking about Mike McCoy. Everyone here thinks he's horrible, so you won't be doing yourself any favors by acting like he did a good job in Denver.

Nice of you to include the qualifier: "in this thread." But you don't need to always bring it up. It's the reason behind the things you're saying, just as racists didn't need to actually say something racist when they were criticizing black quarterbacks.

Of course. You and others use exactly the same kind of criticisms and statements. Think about it. What other quarterback has actually won most of his starts and played outstanding in a playoff win, then gets bashed like this? No one. Why does Tim Tebow get so much more criticism and grief than Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker? It's because Tebow is so loud about his religious beliefs, and people like you hate him for it.

One of your main problems is that you never know when you admit that you made a mistake. By stubbornly plowing ahead behind a ridiculous comment, you just make yourself look that much worse. "Prater's kicking percentage during 2011 is irrelevant"? Good lord. Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away, know when to run.

I like winning games. Tebow won. Cam hasn't yet. Again, people like you need to wait until Tim is playing and he hurts his team. So far when he's played he has led his team to a winning record and a playoff victory against the #1 defense. When you criticize a guy who has accomplished that, you expose that your criticism really isn't about football at all.

 

The Denver front office and coaching staff did not want Tebow, even after they made the playoffs and even won a playoff game. Not even as a backup to a QB that no one was entirely sure would be/stay healthy.

 

The latter part about Manning's health was just media hype. But yeah, I guess it could have backfired. It still could since Manning has already admitted that he's playing year-to-year. This time next year they could end up getting left in the gutter with Brock Osweiler, who I still think is just a giant-sized Robert Pattinson.


And again, one playoff win with Tebow, zero with Manning - so far. It's still too early to even judge the move.

 

Probably, but they added Zac Dysert in this draft who is legitimately talented and could theoretically end up as the best QB out of this class given time. I hope not, obviously.

 

He had 7 starts beginning at game 10, you're really going to count him coming in for the last 2 minutes in a blowout loss the first game of the season?

Its not about cherry picking, its about showing growth and improvement. Eli was showing it after 4 starts. Tim, after almost a seasons worth of starts still displayed a lot of inconsistencies as a passer.

But its not just sideline routes. He has serious issues with throwing to his right. Sometimes he will literally backpedal to his right so he can make a pass to his left hand side.

Tim is a good leader, he's a good runner but he is a horrible passer. The facts support that. His NFL worst completion percentage of 46.5% in 2011 and his 28 ranked QBR that put him behind the likes of Colt McCoy and Tarvaris Jackson support that.

It wasn't a qualifier. Its just another lame attempt by you to discredit the fact Tim is a horrible passer. Please find one quote from me in the past where I have ever bashed Tim for his religious beliefs.

You mean like suggesting a black QB that threw for almost 8,000 yards in 2 years, improved on his TD to INT ratio his second year and broke the Panther record for most consecutive passes without an INT can't read defenses.

Its like you never watched Tebow play at all. Like people have no reason to question Tim's passing ability.

Dilfer had a winning record in Baltimore, won a SB, got replaced and was universally ridiculed as garbage.

Gabbert is also universally mocked by everybody as one of the worst if not the worst current starting QB in the league. He might not even start next year.

Locker actually showed some potential last year, you might want to check his stats out. Unfortunately for him the bar has been raised very high by the likes of Cam, Luck, RGIII and Wilson.

And again, I don't hate Tim. And I certainly wouldn't hate him because of his beliefs. I have lived in several countries with different religious beliefs, I consider myself quite open to others faiths.

That's a cute jingle and all that but do you care to analyse how relevant it is to the Broncos/Tebows wins a loses. He went 19 of 25 on field goals. He missed a 56 yarder in the 2nd quarter against OAK in the opener under Orton and had 1 blocked against CHI, a game they would eventually win off his 59 and 51 yard kicks. He missed 2 against Miami but redeemed himself by kicking the game winning 51 yard kick in OT. He also missed one apiece against OAK and KC, two games they won anyway. The only missed kick after game 10 was the blocked kick against CHI.

Please explain how Prater's "poor" kick percentage is relevant to the discussion.

Yes Tebow won but so did Jake Delhomme, you don't seem to have issues with criticizing him.

Yes he beat the #1 Defense. But he also lost to the 30th two weeks prior and the 12th ranked D the following week. And in 2 games against NE, who owned the 15th ranked D he only completed 20 passes. Like I said, consistently inconsistent.

You don't think his NFL worst completion percentage hurts his team?

 

The reason that no one ever agrees with you about anything is that your posts are either completely ignorant or full of bullshit. I don't know which this is, but it's wrong regardless. Eli completed only 52.8% of his passes in his second season and had 26 interceptions + fumbles. He didn't start showing significant growth and improvement until later in his career. You cherry-picked three solid games from Eli and tried to pretend that made him better than Tebow when all it proved was that you're deceitful. If I point to Tim's games 11 through 13 in 2011 do I get to talk about "growth and improvement"? Come on.

To the right sideline. Statistically he has no significant difference between throwing to the left side of the field versus the right.

Except that no one ever claimed that he was a good or even average passer. Moreover, the facts also support that quarterbacks improve their completion percentage and quarterback rating over time. There are enough examples of quarterbacks starting as badly as Tebow has eventually becoming Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. Who knows if Tim would ever improve to that degree, but anyone saying he shouldn't a quarterback at all is a bigoted idiot. He got first downs, avoided interceptions, and won games.

Again, you don't have to hold up a sign saying that you're a bigot for everyone to know you are. There is no rational basis for you to react the way that you do to Tim Tebow. No one who wins as much as he has gets criticized about football. You haven't come anywhere close to the same level of criticism when addressing other young quarterbacks who struggle with passing. You are bigoted against evangelical Christians. I understand why you're uncomfortable with that, but you are.

You not recognizing Cam's flaws is another area in which you come across as someone who doesn't know enough about football to comment. You also continue to ignore that I was extremely critical of Jake Delhomme, unless you intend to argue that I'm also biased against Cajuns. The difference between our criticism is that I know what I'm talking about while you never do. You make up bullshit reasons to bash Tim Tebow, while I most certainly do not say that Cam Newton shouldn't be a quarterback.

The reason we have constant arguments is that your brain obviously can't function on more than a minimal level. No one with even basic intelligence would ever say that I felt there was "no reason to question Tim's passing ability." Your brain can't comprehend anything more than like vs. dislike. Your brain doesn't grasp that I called Tebow a "below average starting quarterback." Your brain couldn't even register that I said he needed to improve dramatically on throwing to the sideline, to the point that you then immediately said I was ignoring that he needed to improve on passes to the sideline. Obviously your general lack of football knowledge is an issue, but you will always be worthless here and at life in general because your brain doesn't perform up to a sufficient level that you can contribute to discussion with other human beings. Now if you have had some legitimate brain damage either from birth or trauma then please let me know and I will back off my criticism, but regardless of the cause, you need to recognize your mental limitations and stop arguing with people who aren't similarly limited. It's extremely annoying and pointless.

You also consider yourself intelligent when the truth is something else. Look at the comments of others if you don't believe me. Purrsecutioner was actually defending you and yet said: "Celtic, you have a habit of inserting something so ridiculous into your argument that it risks undermining the good you do" and that you post "some head spinning stupid shit." Yet again, you don't hold other quarterbacks to anywhere even close to the same standard as you hold Tim Tebow, and that's clearly because you're biased against him specifically.

This kind of comment is exactly why everyone thinks you're a moron, even the people who like you.

If you weren't so incredibly stupid you might have noticed that I have no issues with criticizing Tebow either. The difference is that I don't say Delhomme shouldn't be a quarterback.

Again, this is the fundamental root of our issue and what you need to address: You possess below average intelligence and extremely little football knowledge. You shouldn't ever argue with someone like me. Not ever. Know your limitations.