Tebow to Pats

"Horrible passer" is kind of vague. Blaine Gabbert is a nice "thrower", in gymshorts with no pass rush, but does that make him a good quarterback? Does that really have any value? There's a few other starting QBs like that.

 

Because he potentially upgrades their backup QB. Mallett didn't slip so far in the draft just because of his charming personality.


This has nothing to do with using Tebow as a gadget, people can't seem to get their minds around that.

 

It should not be understated that Denver was trying to lose in 2011 so they could draft a QB in 2012. The first thing they did after naming Tebow the starter was trade their #1 receiver. And it was an offense designed specifically to smash Tebow into a brick wall 30 times a game.

Winning more than three games was not in the plan, you could see it in John Elway's body language.

 

Kindly stfu.

Thanks!

 

There is nothing vague about an NFL worst 46.5 completion percentage in 2011. He is a southpaw with a clear dependency on passes to the left or over the middle. He is horrible with completing passes to the sideline either side completing barely 38%. He also fumbles a lot.

Does he have some value? Yes.

 

I think that completing almost half your passes in a offense specifically designed to tank for the #1 or #2 overall pick isn't all that terrible. Or going from 1-4 to the second round of the playoffs. He's never going to be Drew Brees, but I think he'll end up being a more efficient passer in a non-retarded offense.

He does fumble too much, but that's more of a charity thing.

 

If you don't want people to comment on a Tebow to Pats thread don't start one.

Thanks.

 

Yeah. It was comical to watch the media idiocy of effusively praising someone doing a terrible job.

Eli had a similar completion percentage as a rookie. That stuff gets better over time. Plus, as noted many times, Tebow had a QB rating over 90 once you exclude sideline throws. Those are the ones where he needs to improve dramatically.

No one has denied that he had poor games. Every quarterback does. The problem is people biased against him denying the good games.

For 226 yards on only twenty attempts. Plus, sixteen of those attempts came on 2nd or 3rd & long (7+ yards to go). Obviously those passes are the most predictable and the hardest to complete, yet Tebow was piling up yardage anyway. 11.3 yards per attempt is outstanding.

Kyle Orton put them in a 1-4 hole, so why would you hold that against Tebow? Also, Prater only made 76% of his attempts in 2011, fifth worst in the league. He had the worst percentage that season for kicks between 40 and 49 yards.

Eli Manning completed 48.2% in 2004. John Elway completed 47.5% in 1983.

 

Hopefully it does but that was Tebows sophomore year, technically his pass completion percentage regressed from 50% his rookie year, even if it was only a few games.

You can't just discard all his bad passes to the right side or the sidelines, its an obvious weakness and flaw in his game. Opposing teams aren't just gonna let him play to his strengths. If they have any sense they'll make him complete the throws he has trouble with. That might be why he had so many attempts to the outside under McCoy.

I think the real problem is most people only remember Tebowtime and forget the first 3 quarters they sat through.

Yes, he hit a few big passes and won the game for them. Well done. Getting lucky in 1 game doesn't make a career.

Your right, he deserves credit for helping turn things around. I think he has strong leadership skills. Just noting an 8-8 team made the playoffs.

Prater was responsible for the game winning points in 4 of Tebows seven wins.
If you don't think he deserves any credit for those wins I don't know what to say.

Against the Bears he hit 59 and 51 yarders for the tie and win in OT.
Against the Vikings he hit 46 and 23 yarders for the tie and win.
Against the Chargers he hit 41 and 24 yarders to tie it up in the 4th and won it in OT with a 37 yarder.
Against Miami he hit a 53 yarder in OT for the win.

It should have been Pratertime, not Tebowtime.

And Tebow also won more games in his sophomore year then they did in their rookie years but Eli and John improved on those numbers their sophomore years.

I realize Tebow is still young enough to learn and improve but we're not honestly comparing his passing talent to 2 #1 overall picks that were both 2 time SB winners?

 

You're confusing time with experience. Tebow barely played as a rookie, and completion percentage doesn't magically get better as you get older. It gets better - if it gets better - the more you play.

This kind of comment is annoying. What was at the very beginning of the post you just responded to? I said: "Plus, as noted many times, Tebow had a QB rating over 90 once you exclude sideline throws. Those are the ones where he needs to improve dramatically." Does that last sentence sound like I'm discarding the weakness? Anyone with a fully functioning brain would think that I specifically addressed that weakness.

No. Do you not realize that the routes are sent in by the play-caller? Defenses can focus their coverage over the middle, but they can't force the receivers to stay on the outside. The OC does that.

No, the real problem are bigots who want to bash a player because they despise his overt religious beliefs. Blaine Gabbert and Jake Locker don't get bashed the way that Tim has. And before anyone brings up media coverage as an excuse, no young quarterback has ever been bashed as much in the media as Tim Tebow. People don't say that Jake Locker should move to another position. No one with Tebow's winning percentage has ever been slammed by fans or the media. This is bigotry, plain and simple. It's exactly the way that black quarterbacks were treated in the '80s/'90s.

Of course he deserves some credit for making clutch kicks, but you're trying to pretend that he deserves the credit instead of Tim Tebow. It's fine that you didn't know that Matt Prater was one of the worst kickers in the NFL during 2011, but now you do. It's also funny that I've never seen any other occasion where someone tried to say that a kicker deserved credit instead of a quarterback.

No, we're talking why it's ignorant to act like completion percentage early in a quarterback's career defines his ability and somehow means he shouldn't play the position. Fortunately the people who don't know any better have people with knowledge around to educate them.