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Suicide

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by Johnny Rebel, Jan 11, 2006.

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  1. Jan 11, 2006 at 4:23 PM #11
    plutosgirl

    plutosgirl It's a Liopleurodon!!!

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    You're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
     
  2. Jan 12, 2006 at 12:21 AM #12
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    I believe most people who commit suicide are genuinely ill, & not responsible for their actions. It's an act of desperation.

    However, someone like a suicide bomber is doing it for what he believes is an ultimate reward. Even if he only succeeds in killing himself, it's an act of greed & maliciousness.
     
  3. Jan 12, 2006 at 12:34 PM #13
    hasbeen99

    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    That speaks to my point. There are a lot of different motivating factors behind it, and every one is different. Therefore, to blanket judge everyone who does it isn't just at all.
     
  4. Jan 12, 2006 at 2:17 PM #14
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    So when a person who commits suicide gets to heaven St. Peter says that he's "not guilty due to reason of insanity"? I guess that must get you in on a technicality then.
     
  5. Jan 12, 2006 at 2:25 PM #15
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    Good luck with the 'St. Peter' at the gate thingy......
     
  6. Jan 12, 2006 at 5:37 PM #16
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    I cast my vote for the mental illness factor. I worked with several clients who were suicidal this past year. In each case it arose from severe depression and often had other stuff like dementia, halucinations and delusions going on.

    As another twist on articulatekitten's post, soldiers in battle have willingly committed suicide to save their buddies, like jumping on a grenade or countering a flanking attack to allow time to re-position.

    Jesus said that there is no greater love than a man lay down his life for his friends. Not to offend anyone, but Jesus' decision in the Garden of Gethsemane to follow through with the plan of the crucifixion was an intentional decision to die. He didn't kill himself, but he willfully allowed others to kill him (sorta like people who have forced situations with police, like pulling a gun on them, in order to get the police to kill them).
     
  7. Jan 12, 2006 at 6:13 PM #17
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    Quite correct. Again, motivation is a huge factor, IMO.

    WAY different motivation than Jesus in the Garden. Almost a polar opposite, in fact.
     
  8. Feb 23, 2006 at 9:31 PM #18
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    So, do you think a person will be given the opportunity to ask for forgiveness if they kill themselves?
     
  9. Feb 24, 2006 at 9:19 AM #19
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    That's going to be a long line.
     
  10. Feb 24, 2006 at 10:05 AM #20
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    Well, I don't think salvation is based on a check-off list of whether or not every sin was forgiven or not.
     
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