Southern/Retarded

Westward expansion was Kansas, Missouri..midwest. Who the fork said ANYthing about California?

This was all prior to the "Civil" War. You claim the South "tried" to secede. Actually, the South, did in fact secede, and the Union had no legal recourse to force the South to rejoin the Union. Seccession was not prohibited in the Constitution...and as I have noted before most legal scholars agree that it was, in fact a right of the parties to the contract to secede, if they felt the contract wasn't being upheld by the other side.

Seriously...read some documents from the period to understand some of this. You clearly don't understand it right now.

 

State's rights. The ideal was that it was "state's rights", not slavery, so that's obviously what the south wanted - the right to choose - right? The previous compromises didn't actually allow the states to choose, and the south wished California admitted as a slave state even though California's own constitution pre-statehood sought to remain a free state.

So California said something about California, and the southern states said something about California; and damned if California isn't West.

Yes, they threatened it for years before actually doing so, because of slavery.

After all, when you can't actually argue, just claim victory and attempt condescension.
Yes, there are documents arguing for slavery and against, "from the period". Yes, there were tariffs by the North to counteract slavery. Yes, people on both sides of the pre-war states acted poorly.

 

It was NEVER because of slavery. It was because of the desire of the Southern states' governments and their distaste of unfair taxes. Those taxes weren't put in place to counteract slavery, they were charged unfair trade tariff's because the South, a producer of raw goods, could develop trade agreements in trans-Atlantic markets. The North as an industrialized region, behind the already industrialized nations across the Atlantic, weren't producing goods desired outside the States. So the South as a successful producer of DESIRED raw goods owned a commodity was a superior trader than the North, so the Union, in the hands of the non-states rights enacted legislation to make it more difficult for the South to trade. So the westward expansion was about representation in government, more representatives for the South meant deregulating the Southern trade.
You ever hear of slaves representing 2/3 a person?? Think about why.

 

Egg Zachary.

 

So their wants and needs as a state should be invalidated because they weren't a state? They have the right to choose as a state, but not what they're deemed as a state? That's crazy.

That holds up about as well as saying that Lincoln, who actually ran for President on abolitionist terms, didn't care about slavery.

Representation.
And yet another compromise made to placate the south to keep them from leaving. Just like everything else pre-1960. Of course, you seem to have missed where I said both sides weren't without fault, and that the freedom of men was used as a pawn too often. The problem is, you're still left holding the bag pretending it wasn't about slavery.


Find California on a map yet? Y'all gotta do better than this and "we went over this" to make an actual case. Let me know when you've done so.

 

You're wrong....but you won't listen to any facts beyond what you already believe. I can see that VP has covered this with you countless times, so I won't waste my time with you on this anymore. I could give a shit that you will continue to buy in to the politically correct answer without using your head for original thought on this and remain in the dark. Ignorance is bliss, I hear.

 

Damn you're slow.


Yes, VP and I disagree on this too. I'm supposed to give in to your "we won't count West Virginia so my side will look better" logic because you say you're right? Go argue with a history book.

Figure out if California's westward expansion yet?

 

I'll just go back 18 day's and search for your post, is what popped into my head

:1peekdoor

 

Y'all obviously don't know shit about macaroni and cheese. First you have to cook the macaroni but don't over cook it. Then you have to make a "white sauce" which is a standard cream sauce, milk, butter, pepper, salt, a bit of flour. Add to this the shredded white american cheese....yes it has to be white american. Pour that mixture over the macaroni and bake.

 

Damn...now I'm hungry