Sometimes it's hard to keep my mouth shut

This is from a christian forum.

"What do I do with these feelings of hate I have for those who murder and torture innocent men, women, children and babies? For example, the Japanese soldiers who did atrocious acts of torture and murder on civilians and POW's in the 1940s. And that is just one example of so many instances of things like this. Its hard to tell myself to "hate the sin and not the sinner". Its hard to hate that a Japanese soldier merciless killed a baby with a bayonet but not hate the Japanese soldier himself. I have strong feelings of hate for those who commit such indescribable acts of evil. The only thing that makes me feel any better is knowing that God does not let them get away with it and those precious babies and children are safe with Jesus now. That is such a great comfort, but I still have a hard time not hating the actual people who were behind it and who did it. How do you guys deal with it?"

I wonder if people who write things like this are just trying to bait atheists. I know if I answer I'll get banned.

 

Fortunately I'm never bored or lacking enough something else to do to try and find out.

 

He has an interesting theory. All the babies and children killed by the Japanese in non-Christian societies like China, Burma, Manchuria, and Vietnam are in heaven with Jesus? If that is the case, wouldn't the Christian thing to do be to kill all babies in non-Chrstian societies, so they can get to heaven, and not become hellbound adult atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, or Shinto?

 

Don't give 'em ideas!!

 

Why the heck is he/she so preoccupied with the Japanese killing babies when Hitler did in on such a larger scale? Christians are weird.

 

The Japanese were not Christian. Hitler was.
Oh wait, I forgot. Fundies say Cathlolics are not really Christian.

 

Good point.

 

Hitler on Christianity:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe
transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism,
under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

 

Um, you might want to point that person towards the book of Joshua, in which it is alleged God repeatedly told the Israelites to kill everything, man, woman, child, and even animals when they were forcibly taking the "promised land" from the people who were already there.

That's one of my biggest issues with the Exodus story. You have this narrative of a God or Deity who champions the oppressed, but then things get screwed up when the opressed become oppressors. I think its just more evidence that if the Bible is the Word of God, then it has been significantly corrupted when it was written by corrupt/imperfect hands. I don't see the concept of a God that is supposed to be ultimately identified as Love (as communicated in the New Testament, particularly the Gospels and I John) as in anyway compatible with this notion of God-ordained genocide.

 

What are the page references from? I ask because it seems Hitler's stance on any particular religion was based on what political gain he could obtain from it. Out of the Nazi party's senior leadership, only Heinrich Himmler and Rudolph Hess resigned their Christian Church affiliation. If National Socialism was as opposed to Christianity as Communism, it would seem that mass apostacy would have reached from the top to the bottom of the ranks.

In reality, the Nazis were out to create an altogether new religion, if you could call it that, based on party doctrine and borrowing ritual and imagery from the existing chruches, as well as Imperial Rome and what they knew of the ancient Germanic religion. It was a kind of Frankenstein religious patchwork separate and distinct from anything else, neither Christianity nor Germanic heathenism as we know them today.