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Sexually excited about geometry (or getting off on a tangent)

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by Galethog, Mar 24, 2006.

Can you be an active gay and still be saved?

Poll closed Mar 29, 2006.

  1. Yes, Jesus forgives all sins.

    10 vote(s)
    90.9%

  2. No, repentence requires abstaining from gay sex.

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
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  1. Mar 24, 2006 at 3:23 PM #81
    hasbeen99

    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    From the King James:



    The word in the NASB is "deny" as well. I've just been doing a word study on this at www.searchgodsword.org. The Greek word that is translated into "believe not" here can mean disbelief or distrust, which would seemingly be an antonym for the Greek word translated as "faithful" in the same line, reflecting the poetic style in which the passage is written.

    The two commentaries I read about this passage assert that the phrase, "he abideth faithful; he cannot deny himself" is saying that regardless of what we do, God will always remain faithful to what He has promised. He will not change. Both commentaries specifically referenced Matthew 10:33...

    One commentary also suggested that when the passage says "deny" in both the Timothy verses and in Matthew, it's referring to a denial in a final sense, or unwavering rejection. I didn't see that specifically mentioned in the word study, but it seems logical to me.
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  2. Mar 24, 2006 at 3:34 PM #82
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    No, but I can reject my earthly father. It doesn't change my identity, but it will drastically change my relationship with him. Are you saying that maintaining a relationship with Christ is unimportant? If so, how can someone claim Christ as Lord if he or she ignores or rejects Him?
     
  3. Mar 24, 2006 at 3:36 PM #83
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    But what is 'stumbling'? Is it sin? Does it include outright rejection?
     
  4. Mar 24, 2006 at 3:45 PM #84
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    Are you not describing certain good works needed to keep your salvation. You believe you must do good works to keep your salvation?
     
  5. Mar 24, 2006 at 3:58 PM #85
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    wait a minute.... you're a divorced man or married to a divorced woman?


    you don't "subscribe" to the doctrine that says divorce is wrong????


    It's in Matthew, so you can't say the NT over-rules it.


    LOL! Amazing. Absolutley amazing.


    You may want to pick that 4x8 out of your eye.
     
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  6. Mar 24, 2006 at 4:01 PM #86
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    ECILAM Celebrate Diversity

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    Careful guys. Keep it civil.
     
  7. Mar 24, 2006 at 4:04 PM #87
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    Isn't that a Protestant/Catholic thing?
     
  8. Mar 24, 2006 at 4:06 PM #88
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    Not at all. But we may not be on the same page as far as defining 'works'. :thinking:
     
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    Married to a divorced woman who meets the criteria laid out in the new testament allowing for divorce. Her first husband was unfaithful to her.
     
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    It's a Bible thing.
     
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