Sexually excited about geometry (or getting off on a tangent)

Fred you need to get your eyes off me and other people and get them on Jesus. If you think I am wrong and a controlling right wing hack then fine. Go read the bible and figure it out for yourself. The internet is full of stuff you can read. You obviously have no peace on the issue, I recommend you try to find it on your own. Seek Jesus and he will find you and give you peace. I am not saying you will become straight but there is a way for you to have a relationship with Jesus that gives you peace.

 

Agreed.

 

That's a little iffy.

Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

In the Gospel of Mark no exceptions are given for divorce. It's pretty cut and dry. You get a divorce, you re-marry, are are committing adultery.

Luke 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

In the Gospel of Luke, same thing. No exceptions.

Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

In the Gospel of Luke, infidelity is mentioned, but here is the sticking point. The Greek word "Porneia". Some say that porneia should not have been translated into the word "fornication", as porneia is more of an incestuous marriage. So it should read like this. "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for an unlawful marriage, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. It makes a difference.

 

Where did you get that definition of porneia? My online resource defines it as "illicit sexual intercourse". I haven't checked my Greek dictionary yet though.

 

The first Protestant church was the Church of England, which came about because the Henry could not find a bride that would give him a living male baby, and I guess he got tired of killing them all. So, since just getting a divorce would mean that his new male heir would have been a bastard the Pope would not give him an annulment (not that the Pope would EVER use this as a political tool to ensure that he could determine which families had a path to the various thrones, no he'd NEVER do that). So Henry said, later dude and formed his own church, with him as the head of it and was promptly excommunicated - like he cared. So, obviously one of teh first things that the head of teh Curch of England (backed by all of his bishops of course) said was that divorce WAS OK.

At least that's what I remember off the top of my head.

So, unless you are of the opinion that the Pope is the ONLY person on earth who can properly interpret the Bible or say what God means, then you really are in kind of a pickle - because lots of very intellegent people are obviously saying that divorce is not contradicory to what the bible says.

 

now you're talkin

 

That's iffy also. Not only do you have problems with the bias of the people who interpret the bible, you have problems with the people who write the dictionaries. After I wrote that post I did some additional research and found several different definitions of the word "porneia".

There is also several different interpretions of Matthew 5:32. I can understand the problem. If someone told me that my son did an action that was really sick, I would assume that it was a terrible action. My son would think it was a really good action. A few thousand years in the future if someone thought that action was good, they would translate it as being good, if they thought it was bad, they would translate it as being bad. They would make it fit their own beliefs.

Both the Mark and Luke versions don't give an exception to the divorce rule. So I would have to interpret the Matthew version as not giving an exception. Unless I married my girlfriend and then turned christian. Then I would say Matthew did give an exception.

 

Pot.... meet kettle.

 

I have a settled belief system and do not struggle with it. I only wish the same for you.

 

I will admit that it is somewhat of a gray area. I can sort of see both sides of it. If I am wrong to have married a woman who had been divorced then I guess I will find out when I get to heaven. I am sure it will not be the only or the greatest thing I was wrong about.