Sexually excited about geometry (or getting off on a tangent)

With everybody getting off on a tangent in Fred's thread, I decide to start a poll just to see how everyone felt about gays and salvation.

 

Quite possibly you have seen my views on this. May I ask what are your's?

 

Since I am an athiest, I don't believe that there is such a thing as salvation. But on a purely academic level, I really don't know. I am hoping for a debate that may answer some of my questions.

 

Your poll responses don't make sense.

But I will say that I find it hard to believe that salvation would be denied to gays. I mean, it's not like they woke up one morning and said, "I think I'll be gay today!". So if it's not a choice, it's not a sin.

Sexual behavior requires repentance on the part of anyone, regardless of sexual orientation.

 

My faith is pretty strong, but my views do not match with "what is taught". If we as people are to love all, but damn a person for being gay? I don't think so.
It's condemning, that drives people away from God,IMO. The thing that confuses me, is why should someone that is gay ask for forgiveness? God loves all, not loves all "if". Being that we are given free will, I care for people for who they are, not how I think they should be. I think that is what gets misconstrued in religion.

 

Some Christians believe that in order to be saved, you must confess and repent of your sins. They believe that gays don't think gay sex is a sin. So if you don't confess that gay sex is wrong and stop having sex then you can't repent, therefore you can't be saved.

 

A person must realize that engaging in homosexual activity is a sin when they get saved. They must repent of it, meaning they agree with God that it is a sin and have a desire to stop doing it. I do think a person can get saved and then fall back into old sins they used to do, including homosexuality.

So my answer is yes an active homosexual can be saved. It would only be the case though if they at some point repented of that sin and then later fell back into the practice. It is not a sin that God can not forgive. It would be the same as a person who has sex with the opposite sex outside of marriage. They must repent of that sin to get saved but that does not mean they will never commit that sin again.

 

So is the debate over 'gay' or 'gay sex'? It sounds like it's OK to be gay, but not to have gay sex. That sounds like a breeder's two-faced idea.

 

I could not begin to list all my sins. So if I were to repent, I would have to use the catch all phrase, "I repent of all my sins". Wouldn't that cover everything? (this question really isn't as stupid as it sounds).

And also, there are probably things that I don't realize is a sin. Or things I won't admit is a sin. There is a Christian forum I use to go to that had a section where people would ask if a certain thought or action was a sin. How do you know?

 

That's pretty much it. The idea is that people can't help being gay, just gay sex is the sin. Just like I can't help being hetrosexual, but hetrosexual sex outside of marriage is a sin.