Scott Fowler's column today

Love how Larry now speaks for all ACC fans. Nice spin, jackass.

 

Fucking spare me. It was an open ended question, shithead. Answer it or shut up.

Any ACC fan, especially the supposed "Big 4", that supports the expansion of the league has to see things that way.

It's a damn shame. College athletics are almost completely dead. In hoops, we're not that far removed from Slamball now.

 

i think that if you want "pure" college athletics, you need to see what naia and dII or dIII are doing.

that's sports without the tv, hence without the $$.

 

ACC had no business taking in Boston College . . . BC is going to rue the day the left the Big East. BC will experience the same problem Miami did when they joined the Big East; travel costs will go thru the roof and support for their football team will be minimal (I'm sure many folks in Beantown will drive to Blacksburg, Clemson, or the Triangle for a weekend game . . ). I can see them rejoining the BIG EAST in about 10 years . . . Whatever TV station in Boston accepts the ACC football/hoops deal isn't going to do that well at all. As someone just posted, Clemson/BC or BC/Duke ain't going to get college fans stoked in Beantown IMHO . . . To be honest, if the ACC wanted a northeast prescene that bad, why not Temple (football team stinks, better than average in hoops, good academics, Top 10 TV market, etc.)


ACC needed bigger TV markets, right? last I checked, the Roankoke-Lynchburg-Blacksburg area is no where in that category !!!! But they still accepted VT eventually (yeah, yeah it was because the Viriginia govenor was applying pressure to UVA, but still). I don't understand why they didn't consider Louisville or Memphis as a potential 12th team (both good sized TV markets, would open up the ACC to new territory, they both fit geographically, etc.).

 

It's a shame that's true.

 

Read your post. That's not an open ended question, it's a cheap shot.

I wasn't for expansion, but since it's happening, I can accept the reasons behind it. I'm a Charlotte fan and ACC fan. I can get excited about the ACC having the best football and best basketball schools, even if the conference strength isn't the best in either sport.

 

I would think BC is hoping they can make more money from the move to offset the cost. How far did they have to travel to their soon to be former conference members?

There was a lot of pressure I think for picking VT, and although their local market is small, they do seem to be growing for a national fan base with there recent success in football.

 

Do unto others before they do unto you. If they didn't make the move and they lost FSU, GT and Clemson, there is no way they could make it as a 6 team conference. So then they would have to raid somebody else just to keep the basketball alive.

 

UNCFever, how was the ACC ever going to lose FSU, GT and Clemson? Unless you're talking about the "BE football schools splitting out and taking them" scenario?

 

folks, this has been in motion for YEARS.

May 31, 1990: SEC presidents unanimously recommend Commissioner Roy Kramer begin expansion discussions with interested schools.

June 4, 1990: Big Ten presidents vote to make Penn State the 11th member. The Nittany Lions were an independent in football and a member of the Atlantic 10 for other sports.

Aug. 1, 1990: Arkansas accepts an invitation to leave the Southwest Conference to be the SEC's 11th member.

Sept. 25, 1990: South Carolina accepts an invitation to shed its status as a football independent and become the SEC's 12th member.

Nov. 29, 1990: SEC presidents approve dividing the league into six-team divisions for football beginning in the 1992 season.

Feb. 5, 1991: The Big East announces it will begin sponsoring football with eight schools. Boston College, Pittsburgh and Syracuse already are league regulars. Miami (Fla.), Rutgers, Temple, Virginia Tech and West Virginia are invited as football-only members.

June 12, 1991: The Western Athletic Conference accepts Fresno State (Big West) as its 10th member.

June 26, 1991: The board of trustees at Akron votes unanimously to accept an invitation to join the Mid-American Conference. The Zips had been an independent in football.

July 1991: Florida State accepts an invitation to shed its status as a football independent to become the Atlantic Coast Conference's ninth member. The Seminoles had been with the Metro Conference in other sports.

Dec. 5, 1992: The SEC becomes the first I-A conference to conduct a football championship between division winners. Alabama beats Florida 28-21 at Legion Field in Birmingham, Ala.

Feb. 25, 1994: The Big 8 schools decide to join forces with four members of the Southwest Conference — Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor — to form the Big 12 beginning in 1996.

April 21, 1994: WAC presidents extend invitations to Rice, SMU and TCU (Southwest Conference), San Jose State and UNLV (Big West) and Tulsa (independent) to pave the way for the league to set up divisions and have a football championship game. When the WAC lineup becomes official in July 1996, it is the largest Division I-A conference with 16 schools.

April 24, 1995: Conference USA is formed. Football independents Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Southern Miss and Tulane and Houston (Southwest Conference) are tabbed to begin play in 1996.

June 14, 1995: MAC presidents invite Marshall (Southern Conference) and Northern Illinois and Buffalo (independents) to join. Marshall and Northern Illinois join in 1997, Buffalo in '98. This gives the MAC the requisite number of schools to break in divisions and have a championship game.

Sept. 4, 1996: C-USA announces East Carolina will join for football beginning in 1997.

Dec. 7, 1996: Texas upsets Nebraska 37-27 at the TWA Dome in St. Louis in the inaugural Big 12 football championship game. Brigham Young edges Wyoming 28-25 in OT to win the inaugural WAC championship game in Las Vegas.

March 10, 1997: C-USA announces Army will join for football beginning in 1998.

Dec. 5, 1997: The Mid-American Conference becomes the third I-A league to conduct a title game between division winners. On its home field in Huntington, W.Va., Marshall tops Toledo 34-14.

May 26, 1998: At a meeting in Denver, presidents of eight WAC schools — Air Force, Brigham Young, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Utah and Wyoming — decide to break away to form the Mountain West Conference. That league begins operations July 1, 1999.

Feb. 5, 1999: After a board of trustees meeting in London, Notre Dame announces it will no longer pursue membership in the Big Ten and will remain a football independent. The Irish have been a member of the Big East in other sports since 1995.

June 10, 1999: WAC presidents invite Nevada (Big West) to join beginning in 2000.

Oct. 12, 1999: C-USA says TCU (WAC) will join in 2001; South Florida, already a member in other sports, will begin football league play in 2003.

Oct. 17, 1999: WAC presidents invite Boise State (Big West) and Louisiana Tech (independent) to join in 2001. The departure of Boise State in effect means the Big West is out of football after the 2000 season because it would lack the required six teams.

November 1999: Sun Belt invites football independents Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe and Middle Tennessee State and Big West football members Arkansas State, Idaho, New Mexico State and North Texas to form a new league beginning in 2001.

Nov. 1, 2001: MAC announces Central Florida (independent) will join for football only in 2002, giving the league 14 teams.

Oct. 18, 2002: Sun Belt invites Utah State (independent) for football beginning in 2003, giving the league eight teams.

May 13, 2003: ACC presidents vote for expansion.

May 16, 2003: ACC presidents vote to begin formal discussions with Big East schools Boston College, Miami (Fla.) and Syracuse to join beginning in 2005. That would give it 12 teams and enable it to break into divisions and conduct a championship game.

June 24, 2003: ACC presidents vote to invite Miami and Virginia Tech to join the league, turning away Boston College and Syracuse.

add to this BC joining the ACC and the latest round of moves.