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Rose/Bonds?

Discussion in 'MLB - Baseball Forum' started by UNCfever, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. UNCfever

    UNCfever Full Access Member

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    So which is worse?

    What Rose did or what Bonds did?

    Opinions/Reasoning?
     
  2. PantherPaul

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    Rose is a scumbag and his crime far exceeds the steroid issues. Bonds used steroids BEFORE it was illegal. There will be increased testing this year and he will get smaller but he still will break the record.
     
  3. vpkozel

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    If they were not illegal, then why did he need immunity to testify?

    He averaged 36 homers a year before 1999 and 52 a year after. That is 80 homers. Without the roids he might not even break Babe's record, much less Aaron's.

    And that assumes he didn't start using before 99.

    And that doesn't even take into account that people started pitching him differently.

    Gammons said that some guy did a study of every Bonds homer and found out that before 2000, Bonds hit 3 homers that went further than 450 feet. Since then, he has hit 26. If that is true, then Seems pretty convincing to me that something drastically changed.

    Honestly, I would only put Rose in the same class if somebody could prove he bet on the Reds (I honestly don't know if this has been shown). If it can be proven that Bonds took roids, then he should never play again. He compromised everything. That goes for any player who took them.
     
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    So are you saying Rose betting on games may have affected the out come of some of the games ?


    Well being pumped up on roids affected alot of teams that lost to BOND-ROID which affected the out come of those games

    Maybe its B/C Rose lied

    Well a MVP player that has a body thats in great shape and is hitting 30's home runs a season

    BOND telling the media he did not know what the trainer gave him or what it was for???

    Please Bond would not have taken anything that he thought might harm him, he would have asked what is it and what does it do.

    It don't matter anyway baseball is uked up and attendance is falling faster each season

    Vote BOND into the HALL OF SHAME right beside Daryl [pass the pipe] Strawberry
     
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    I am not saying what Bonds and others is right, but gambling in baseball has been against the rules since the game was invented. That and baseballs attendance has been going up since Big Mac and Sosa had their HR race back 5 years ago
     
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    Ok, so how do the two compare on the integrity issue?

    Ok, one actions could have affected games, not sure how much he could have affected major records.

    The other could have affected games as well as major records in the game.
     
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    I do not like baseball but it seems to me that Bonds is worse. He basically cheated so he could break records held by guys like Ruth and Aaron. To me that is pretty low. It would be like Emmitt Smith secretly decreasing the yard markers from three feet apart to two feet so he could catch Walter Payton. I think Sammy and his cork bat are just as bad though. No one has ever proven that Rose threw a game to win a bet.
     
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    Yes gambling has been against the rules since day one.

    So has the integrity of the game.

    Baseball has swept boozers and losers under the rug since day one .

    Cobb was the biggest drunk and foul mouth player to play the game and to some damaged the integrity of the game his names in the hall

    Jackie Robison broke the integrity of baseball by being the first black player,up to that point that was not allowed. his names in the hall

    Mickey Mantle admitted to playing several games drunk where us the integrity in that ? his names in the hall

    George Brett and his cork bat integrity ??? his names in the hall

    Curt Flood kicked out of baseball integrity ?? his names in the hall

    Denny mc Clain drug charges in 1969 integrity his names in the hall f
    for world series

    BASEBALL has NO INTEGRITY

    Bonds I did not know they were steroids INTEGRITY LOL LOL LOL

    Anyone that played with or against Rose will tell you he ate and sleep baseball
    To keep a player out that showed as much love for the game as Pete did is a major integrity issue of the powers that be
    Who have never stepped foot into a game.

    If attendance has gone up since [steroid] Mc guire
    Then why was baseball considering bringing Rose out to games to boost attendance ?

    I don't watch M ajor L oser B all

    so you may be right on the attendance

    What baseball has done is give Pete P/R which has made him a legend
    Now Baseball needs to get off its high horse and give Rose his rewards before he passes on.


    JMO
     
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    I think they're both scumbags.
     
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    George Brett never corked his bat. It was pine tar, and the decision was overturned because the stupid rule had been passed at the request of a cheap ass owner who didn't want to have to buy more baseballs. The pine tar did not effect the integrity of the game at all.
     

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