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Projected team strength and weaknesses

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Thelt, May 26, 2005.

  1. Black&Blue

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    Okay, let's try to sort this all out.

    Dhani Jones weighs in at 240, not over 240. Sirmon is under 240, weighing in at 237. Davis is 230. I said they are approximately Davis' size. He can gain 7-10 pounds if needed (though it isn't).

    Daryl Smith and Al Singleton have played on the strongside, which is the parallel I was trying to make. No linebacker is pidgonholed to one side or one position. You should know this.

    And look, I don't know you. I'm not disliking you by having a different opinion, so don't insult me by saying I didn't check my facts when, in fact, I did. That's just being an jerk, plain and simple.
     
  2. Collin

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    Fair enough. But that still puts both players significantly heavier than Davis. You might not think 10 pounds is a big deal, but it is. You find a similar disparity between cornerbacks and safeties.

    Davis' playing weight was 220-225 (Source - Source). Like many players, Davis added some muscle in preparation for the combine. But even so, I already pointed out that there is only one player in the NFL at 230 currently playing strong-side linebacker. All other players are bigger.


    You're correct, Singleton did play strongside in the past, but he's always been considered more of a natural middle linebacker and is still over 235. As for Daryl Smith, I'm not aware of him ever having played strongside linebacker. 2004 was his rookie season and 255 pound Akin Ayodele played all 16 games at strongside linebacker for the Jaguars last year.


    Yes, they are. Do you hear anyone talking about moving Dan Morgan to SLB? Or Brandon Short as a possibility at WLB next year if we don't re-sign Witherspoon? No, because there are differences between the positions. I understand that most fans (and even columnists) don't understand that there is a difference, but it exists nonetheless. Some players have the skills necessary to play multiple linebacking positions, and still others are asked to play out of position due to need, but people who actually know football do differentiate between weakside and strongside linebackers. They're different players with different skill sets.

    Yet another mistake on your part. Ask around.

    Check them more thoroughly next time. And for the record, do you acknowledge the significance of 1 in four billion, two hundred and ninety-four million, nine hundred and sixty-seven thousand, two hundred and ninety-six?
     
  3. Thelt

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    Davis could play SLB at his size if he has the skills to do it. His body is better sutied to WLB though. Lawrence Taylor played at 237 and he was probably the best of all time.
     
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    One more correction:
    Looking into it further, Jeff Gooch is currently slated to start at strongside linebacker for Tampa and is Davis' size. He is also smaller than Derrick Brooks at WLB, so it's 1 out of 32 teams instead of 0 out of 32 teams.

    But I simply can't believe people know so little about football that they don't understand the difference between strongside and weakside linebacker. There have been very, very few players Davis' size to ever play SLB in the modern era, and aside from Woodall, all the ones who have were in Tony Dungee/Monte Kiffin defenses. That's a unique scheme.
     
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    I've kinda figured that if he's slated at LBer that the training staff would work to get him to his optimal playing weight for his position, but maybe that's just me.
     
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    Yes, it's just you. The idea that players can magically pick their weight is silly. Players have a basic frame, and while they can deviate from that somewhat, doing so can cause problems. Anyone care to remember how forcing Jason Peter to gain weight so that he could play LDE for us worked out?

    Davis has the frame of a weakside linebacker. I honestly don't even know why this is being argued because it's so obvious, and any suggestion otherwise really does strike me as showing a startling degree of ignorance. Please stick to arguing whether or not Davis should play out of position at SLB, because any suggestion that he's suited physically for that spot is just plain dumb.


    Look, have you ever heard of a strongside linebacker being considered at safety? No. Have you ever heard of a converted defensive end being considered at weakside linebacker? No. There are physical and skill differences between weakside and strongside.
     
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    I agree players have a basic frame, but gaining 10 pounds of muscle once entering the NFL isn't out of the realm of reality. Unless you have pictures of Davis with his shirt off. And if that'ts the case then that's your thing do it with pride I guess, but unless you have that you can't tell me you know if he can add the extra muscle.
     
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    Jesus Christ, are you illiterate? Read the post I made near the top of this page. Davis' playing weight was 220-225. He already has added about as much muscle as his frame can handle.

    Please, please, please, if you do not understand the difference between strongside and weakside linebacker, don't post about it. If you're just posting to piss me off, by all means enjoy yourself, but please at least learn something from this exchange. I'd rather you be toying with me than you be stupid enough not to actually know the difference.
     
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    As for Daryl Smith, I'm not aware of him ever playing strongside linebacker.

    He did. Ayodele and Smith switch during games. I follow the Jaguars closely so I'm not making this up.

    Do you hear anyone talking about moving Morgan to SLB?

    Morgan played on the outside as a rookie. His first 3 starts came at weakside before he switched to strongside.

    Yet another mistake on your part, ask around.

    No, I don't know you. I've never met you....ever. So I don't know you. However, saying things such as "don't you know who I am" makes me think we wouldn't be best buddies.

    That's a unique scheme.

    Most defenses have adopted some form of the tampa 2 cv. 2. It's not unique anymore.
     
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    Read above post regarding his frame. I'm not arguing his ability to play the spot, I'm simply arguing that you have no way as to determine his frame is maxed out. An NFL trainer might, but YOU don't.
     

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