Pro Life/Choice, Presidents, and Church

I didn't say number of Christians, that's still rising. I said percentage of the world that is Christian. That is staying steady at 33%, relatively steady.

 

But it would be correct to say the percentages are declining. Same as with white folks. We just ain't doing that much breeding.

Edit: Just wanted to add that as a broad generalization of the type that's being thrown around here? I don't think it's a stretch to use birth rates in developed (i.e. Christian) countries as a benchmark anymore than you are using church growth rates in undeveloped countries (Africa) to argue each side here. I'm just not sure how those two things will play on each other in the coming years.

The only actual Census data I can find is based on Australia and it shows the % of Christians there going down (barely, something like 21 to 20%) in the last decade. Of course, those folks are decended from heathens so what do you expect?

 

Get to work then.

 

I just like to "practice"

 

From what I hear - you need it.....

 

Not in the church, it doesn't. Spud is right -- the church isn't a democracy. If people want a relationship with God, they have to play by His rules.

I see your point, but here's the thing -- socialism won't work as long as flawed and corruptible people are running it. If nothing else, the Soviet Union excelled in proving that.

 

That's because in your reasoning is based on monologic. However when you are a member of a pluralistic society you cannot afford to the luxury of monologic and must use a dialectic approach, where although you personally are against a condition, for the sake of a functioning society you must put aside your values and adopt those of the consensus. Thinking like yours get planes flown into buildings.

 

Look at the definition again. If the Bible calls abortion murder (or worse, infanticide), then the consequences of eliminating it as an option -- no matter how impractical -- are justified. Again, this from a Biblical point of view, which is exactly the perspective the church should be operating from -- not a societal view.

I haven't seen anything in the Bible to suggest methods which prevent conception are out of bounds. God intended sex for more than procreation -- it was always meant to be an experience. And you won't find more than a handful (relatively speaking) of Pro-Lifers who will argue against those methods.

Why not? The only standard I really know of in 21st century America that speaks against pre-marital sex is the Bible. If we're talking about discarding what the Bible says because of inconvenience, why not discard this idea, too?

Of course. It takes some pretty serious devotion to observe such narrow restraints on what our culture unceasingly tells us is not just a freedom, but a right.

Agreed.

You aren't seriously drawing a parallel between an unborn human and a virus, are you?

 

THAT was quite a stretch in your last line.
My reasoning is if you don't want to join club/church....then don't. But don't join them and then think they should change for you. This is AMERICA no one makes me go to church, be catholic, nor take communion. But I don't join things I don't believe in. Nor would I ask anyone to destory a building or anything for my beliefs. My church doesn't preach or teach that.

 

The world's largest church

Yoido full Gospel Church ins Seoul Korea with a conservative estimated weekly attendance in excess of 100,000 is at least four times as big as American's largest congregation.