Pro Choice Catholics

I did exactly this. Now I'm a member of St. Mattress...located in SW Charlotte. I got tired of pedofile priests and the hords of hypocrites who packed church on holidays. You guys have at it.

 

I am not a catholic so I do not know for sure but it is my understanding that if you disagree with the Pope on an issue as weighty as abortion then you can not be a catholic in good standing.

Not all religions view abortion as murder but many do. If you do not think it murder and your religion does then I can not see how you can consider yourself a member. I think Kerry and many other democrats who support a whole manner of social issues that are contrary to their stated religion are only stating a religion in hopes of getting more votes from it. If Kerry is an atheist he should just come out and say that.

 

The really cool thing is how there aren't any pro-death penalty Catholic Pubs.

 

when have you ever heard me claim to not have religion? you are losing it man. so this being being said my opinion carries the weight of my spiritual beliefs, which are in fact, very, deep, profound and guide my life. so your little pot shot at me is both stupid and way out of line. i do not join this discourse very often because i know my views are very arrogant and i am right in them, backed by scripture as i understand it.

 

Once again I am not catholic and therefore not up on all of the edicts they have but the Bible does advocate capital punishment. If I were catholic and they told me I could not take communion because I was pro death penalty then I might have to rethink my membership.

I would probably get right and become a baptist.

 

You can argue that the bible doesn't prohibit capital punishment explicitly, and you can argue that it does prohibit it explicitly, and I even though I believe the latter, I wouldn't say that someone who believed the former is dead wrong because it's ambiguous, but to say the bible specifically advocates the death penalty is horseshit. That's politics influencing religion.

 

I do not know the chapter and verse by heart but there is one that goes something like "if a man shall take another man's life then by man's hand shall his also be taken". It was part of the old testament law. People were stoned to death all the time in the bible as a means of punishment under the law. God commanded the Israelites to kill a man and his whole family because he disobeyed and took booty from a city the Israelites over run under Joshua. Even a cursory reading of the old testament will give you plenty of examples of capital punishment being administered with God's approval.

 

That's why we've got Jesus and the New Testament. The very fact that one of the 10 commandments say specifically not to kill tells you that there is, at a very bare minimum, ambiguity around the situation. It doesn't say thou shalt not kill except under the following circumstances. So what, when in doubt, kill? That's just convenient interpreatation on the part of bloodthirsty people who want to pass judgement on others that's only God's to administer. Sad.

 

Actually I think the word kill in the commandment is different that the word kill in the punishments. One being more closely associated with murder.

 

Well if the ten commandments mean that capital punishment is not permissible then God contradicted himself a whole bunch in the old testament. I do not believe that is the case. The ten commandments mean thou shall not murder. God had the Israelites go to war many times too. That argument just does not hold water.

Jesus came to fufill the law not to destroy it.