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I think its irrelevant to claim Fasani's weakness when he was not blessed with the top 1-3 teams in the nation, as was Wienke. I said in another thread, I do not think the Winkster is not capable, I just think he will not do it... My main reason? - In the FSU system he was in... and conference ( and yes I am an NC fan) - I'm not impressed with what he did in college. Yes, there are no facts to prove, I just believe, a lot of college QBs would have thrived in the same environment at FSU. Shit - look at the history of their QBs the last 10 years in regards to what they did after college, when they were drafted - or not....

Jeffers has already proven what he can do when healthy... Moose has proven what he can do when he does not get enough action... Don't get me wrong - even though I was angry at Moose's immaturity last year, he is still a "pro bowl" calibur receiver... but so is a healthy Jeffers.

 

Well, I think the system at FSU is what is due to players being surrounded by good players, true, and Weinke being one of the those good players. A leader of those players specifically.

...and Jeffers is better than Moose?

uh, ok

 

Jeffers opened things up for Moose a few years back... he gave DBs a reason to be concerned. They had to check Jeffers or risk getting burned. There are situations where I would prefer Moose and ones I would prefer Jeffers... I don't think Moose has seperated himself enough from a Healthy Patrick to warrant total disregard to the fact, we may be ok without him...

 

this isn't topical whatsoever.

This is about who makes the team and who doesn't, rather than why one player will ultimately fail or succeed.

But now that it's been breached, a quarterback's performance cannot be discounted against another's just because of system - Fasani ran the West Coast, the perfect system for his skill set. Weinke ran the same. Weinke played against higher competition and did better, throughout.

>> think its irrelevant to claim Fasani's weakness when he was not blessed with the top 1-3 teams in the nation

I don't think it's irrelevant. Having a lesser team doesn't excuse lesser performance in the areas of consistency, winning/keeping a job, excelling versus lesser oponents. The two situations, one basically a veteran athlete with a primed team, playing three years, versus a lesser experienced player playing spot time for his career with a lesser team in a more competitive conference, aren't very good for comparison and would most definately not be in the best interest of someone trying to discredit one player for the supposed benefit of the other.

 

Well, at any rate, I think Moose is great and we should shit can Jeffers. JMO. I don't think Jeffers will make the "active" roster for week 1 of the season.

 

I agree

I don't think Jeffers would have done any better had Moose been the one injured for the last 2 years. But with the lack of credible running game it wasn't hard for the defences to just power rush our quarterback and basically eliminate our passing game. Until Jeffers proves he a stay healthy he is on the bubble

 

i'm gonna agree and disagree with sandy. jeffers was better than moose (and was the reason we had a passing game) but moose sucks and i think will always suck (hell, a rook small-school cb is shutting him down now). jmo.

 

Re: I agree

IMO, that pretty much sums it up... that will be Jeffers ultimate ending, not that Moose is that much better.

Hey, does anybody remember what the Yards After Catch were when Patrick and Moose were both flying high? For some reason, I was thinking Jeffers was better at YAC. Or maybe it was just that he was more exciting to watch...

 

Never would have thought a thread about who makes the team would turn into another QB debate. Some people have tunnel vision.

In 1999, the offense as a whole benifited from the deep threat Jeffers brought. People were focusing on Moose and Walls, and though Jeffers long strides gave him deceptive quickness. Our offense has missed that.

But Moose is better. It's like in Denver. Their offense hasn't been the same without McCaffrey, but Smith was, and is, better. Moose has been our best player the last 3 years, as those stats show. Without his consistancy in getting open in the middle of the field and the attention he brought, Jeffers would not have had the same opportunities to make downfield plays. They were a perfect yin/yang. I suppose it's more what you prefer, more big plays but less overall production with Jeffers, but I don't think he'd been a big play guy without Moose.

Regardless, Jeffers has two bad knees, and coaches have been quoted by the Observer. Moose is CLEARLY the best reciever, as meatpile has confirmed at practices. Not only is he our best, most physical reciever over the middle, he's our only downfield threat as well. Smith "might" be able to develop into something in the slot, but he was a little sloppy in his routes last year in limited action.

As far as Fasini is concered, Stanford ain't a small school, and didn't stop John Elway from being a #1 overall pick. He's got a nice skill set, but he's never been able to keep healthy, and that has nothing to do with being on a bad team. Stanford gets good players and are reguarly competitive vs the PAC-10 teams. Please at least watch him play, as I have, before you anoint him the next great thing based on some juju beans.

 

You did not happen to have those yards after catch stats did you? I really do not know, I was just thinking that was not a strong suit of Moose. Its kinda odd that when you talk to the casual fan they recall several game deciding passes dropped by Moose. I know that would fall under a dropped ball stat but how bout a game costing stat? I don't know.

In the end, I don't like Moose's attitude, but unlike a few other players I do/did not like as football players, I realize, Moose is good and unless we were to grab something better, like Owens then I'll be glad he stays with the team. I'd like to think his dropped ball syndrome is behind him. Yea I know the story, different QB, different pace on the ball etc, bs, etc... I still believe that is no excuse for dropped balls... the ball touches your hands, you should catch it, end of story. (Rice adjusted pretty quickly in Oakland)