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Now what do we draft??

Discussion in 'Carolina Panthers' started by Foxman, Mar 3, 2005.

  1. Dukesuckgounc

    Dukesuckgounc Let's go Panthers

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    Draft a WR or a RB
     
  2. buck nasty

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    microfracture surgery has a great success rate...........if you don't want to play football again. all in all for football players i think the success rate is less than 50/50. but oline guys who have had it have much better chances of coming back. i believe the success rate for rb's is like 20%. has to do with being able to make cuts, which rb's do, but lineman don't.

    and sure he'd have it. rb's don't have microfracture surgery unless their career is over without it.

    here's some info from some fucking article about it that will let you know how serious mf surgery is.

    Microfracture Surgery: Good for some, not for all
    Microfracture surgery is anything but an exact science. Microfracture is a surgical procedure that focuses on cartilage regeneration by clearing damaged tissue from the knee joint and creating tiny ?mcrofractures" by making little holes in the bone. Bone marrow, which contains stem cells, forms replacement cartilage between the bare-bone surfaces of the knee as it seems out of the holes/fractures.

    Appropriate rehabilitation of the knee after surgery is critical to the success of the operation. Continuous Passive Motion, where the knee is moved gently by a machine for 5-8 hours a day for several weeks, keeping weight off of the joint for a period of 6-8 weeks, and strict adherence to an aggressive physical therapy program following surgery all appear to enhance the success of the procedure. However, factors such as the long-time wear on the knee, previous injuries to the knee, and conditions that may be existing in the knee like Arthritis tend to lessen the success rate of the surgery.

    DeShaun Foster, Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson had successful experiences, but those that didn't include Former Denver Bronco RB Terrell Davis, Former Giants Cornerback/Safety Jason Sehorn, former Falcons DL Chuck Smith, Former Cardinal Andre Wadsworth and former Panthers Patrick Jeffers and Eric Swann. Considering Davis' injury history, his age, and his knee condition coming into the surgery, Davis will face a harder road back to recovery than players having the procedure done at a younger age and with less wear on the knee.
     
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    my preference would be the more powerful RB like Benson if we were to draft a RB at 14. The thing is that inside imformation that the staff has is critical. If SD is used up what else could they do at 14 if one of the top 3 RBs is available? Is there another one lower in the draft that would fill the huge hole? We have finnally got a good OL so let's go for it. Don't you think??
     
  4. meatpile

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    Alot of people that had microfracture had MAJOR problems before they got it. I think Davis was in the same type of boat as FOster - and saw Foster's success.

    Also - I think the problem with Jeffers was some other thing - not the microfracture. Regardless, I think Jeffers had ZERO cartilage, and that the microfracture was a last ditch effort. I don't think this was Davis's case.

    And regardless, i want improved depth. One RB would be nice. Foster is good - but I can;t say he's a better overall back than Goings, b/c Foster can't stay healthy.

    I say best available, with need checked. I like Barron, Williamson, and Thomas Davis. I like all 3, and they all fill a need.

    Draft shit is fun.
     
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    buck nasty addressed this, feel free to google your own stuff if you don't believe me or him. If you don't believe something, the onus is on you to disprove it.
     
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    Foster's knee had about 8000 yards less on it too. In both cases, their careers would likely have been over without the surgery. It's mostly a last-chance type of thing. It works for some, and not for others. Foster is a lot younger and has less mileage, as you guys like to put it.

    One other thing to note, Davis has only played all 16 games once in his 8 year career. I'm certainly not trying to be a buzzkill, but realistically speaking, chances are low that he'll come back and be effective.
     
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    http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/JAC/6347497

    "risky microfracture surgery"

    http://greenbaypressgazette.packersnews.com/print/mini_16398439.shtml

    "A knee injury that required microfracture surgery after his rookie season no doubt was a setback "

    “I don’t know what happened,” Wolf said this week from his home in Maryland. “You have to take the injury into account. It happened, and the guy’s never been the same player."



    Yes, there's a reason that microfracture is known as a "controversial" procedure around the league.


    There are a few cases where it's worked out, mostly in linemen or TEs. Foster is the only RB I could find info on that successfully returned.

    It ended Terrell Davis' career. (less mileage than Stephen, and younger)


    With all that said, Davis coming back would be gravy at this point, I don't know that a lot of people are expecting it, or for him to be effective, so it would be a big bonus.
     
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    I don't see them leaving RB depth thin.
     
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    Microfracture is risky, but only because it isn't always successful. That it's ruined knees, no. Knees are ruined and microfracture can't fix them because there's no cartilage for scar tissue to fit onto.
     
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    Jeffers was microfracture - he had the knee go, and then they decided to do the microfracture on him while rehabbing the other knee. The "bad" knee did rehab. The microfractured knee did have problems beforehand.

    I don't like Barron, I made that clear for my own opinion, and if Clayton's gone, Williamson's not as good. Speed or not. Too bad Davis can't run, or he'd make sense.

    Problem is, unless we really get on our needs, and decide to change how we use our backs in an active roster, I'd be hard pressed to see us throw a back #1, too.
     
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