NFC contender QB coaches

Holy crap there's alot of words and letters in this thread.

 

I can't explain it but when I scan through this thread the song, You've lost that Lovin Feeling keeps haunting me.



So, in summary.

:getaroom: :dead-hors

 

and Washington, which is 3 of the 5 teams mentioned and I am not even attempting to do the math on that since that seems to be a sore spot with some people.

Add to that what I said initially about Hasslebeck and the fact that Greise while not young hasnt had a lot of success in Denver or Miami and his back up had very little NFL game experiance. I think what I said initially is accurate.

 

The FS always lines up in the same place. Certainly. The FS has different responsibilities than the SS, just as the two outside linebackers have different responsibilities.

That doesn't mean the safeties aren't interchangeable. He's talking about personnel, which is in the exact same context that we discussed. It's a direct quote from the coach himself, so I'm guessing he knows his own safeties.

So if it doesn't specifically say "so and so works with quarterbacks during practice", they're not legitimate QBs coaches? Convenient.
Especially since I couldn't find this magical mention of these guys being anybody's coffee boy or tape grunt (or mention of the OC at all) in any of the bios I looked up today. I did see a mention from Shanahan that suggests as I assumed, that Pat McPherson does coach the quarterbacks, but that Kubiak still oversees the coaching of the quarterbacks, but it's certainly not in the biography that there's a specific relationship of doing Kubiak's menial chores.

You always seem to think that. You used to directly blame me for anyone else saying the words "QBs coach", too. Your frustration with this topic doesn't make it my problem or some conspiracy I've come up with.

It was, otherwise, a very productive discussion.

So they only come to work a few minutes before practice, coach players, and then leave? Otherwise, they have specific input into what the team's doing schematically, including imparting that in positional meetings, in coaching meetings, in gameplan meetings, and so on.

You don't radically change any player technically, but that doesn't mean you can't coach technique. These guys don't just go out and exercise at practice. They teach technique, they teach skills. Veteran players aren't somehow excused from being worked on when they have problems.

I thought you'd like that. After all, defend him to the death, right?
Whoever's coaching the quarterbacks isn't doing a good job when our starting quarterback has this many inconsistencies directly related to technique that have been previously solved. Make it about Henning, make it about Seifert, Capers, whatever, but the above sentence is what I and anyone else wondering about how we can improve is pointing at, not you trying to negate what I'm saying at all costs.

I still do. He changed. It didn't stick, but it was an over-correction. Don't pretend you "caught" me in something, I stand behind Buffalo as a point of change. Just as I do the period around Oakland/Seattle of 04.

There's no "battle school" in mine. Yes, I live in the real world. Opinions can be proven right and wrong over time.
Opinions can't be proven right or wrong because Collin declares victory. It's convenient that you happen to also pretend to judge yourself correct when you happen to be frustrated and/or angry.

Actually, I don't. Opinions are very valuable. I have no idea how you concluded that.

 

Brunell is not a "young" quarterback. Neither he nor Ramsey are young. They have Campbell, but they certainly did not intend on starting him at the beginning of the year or when Ramsey sat.

These teams didn't go get strong QBs coaches because they had young quarterbacks.

 

A: Wasnt Ramsey considered the starter going in?
B: Why wouldnt you consider him young, he really hasnt had that much experiance, or at least not positive experiance.

Odviously that was my point, but I don't know if I agree with you. Clearly these teams had either young or unproven QB's, so I don't know that you can state that there isnt a correlation between them having stud QB coaches and young or inexperiance at the position. Although, now that I have pulled that out of my ass I am sure you have a valid idea for saying what you did.

Also, whether they went and got strong coaches or not, it doesnt suck to have them especially if you are in the position those teams are in.

 

i can,
woman " is that all the way in"

collin " yes"

woman " oh"

collin " what, its huge, if you can't tell its huge you're an absolute fucking moron. it's huge, everyone knows its huge. do you realize how incredibly stupid you just made yourself look by not thinking its huge. i said its huge, and you disagree with ME. do you know how fucking stupid that makes you...."

 

4th year. When the NFL finds you experienced enough to choose your own destiny financially, I find you experienced. Starting 23 games in his first 3 years suggests he wasn't exactly green. But leeway can be given on either side - regardless, Washington as a specific example has only had their current QBs coach for this year.
When you initially made the statement, I thought you meant Campbell being the young guy, though.

Two of those teams are WCO molds, and WCO teams actually tend to put as much talent into a QBs coach as an OC, if not more. Since their HCs often call plays, QBs coaches gameplan and OCs don't have a ton of power, a la Gil Haskell, Sherm Lewis under Holmgren, and while they're not WCO, Maurice Carthon when he was in Dallas as another example. So they're going to stress QBs coaches. Washington, hard to say why they decided to upgrade (their former QBs coach is still on staff). Chicago, believe it or not, is technically WCO, too.
Coughlin's motives are definitely uncertain, since he'd previously wanted to handle quarterbacks and call plays, but I imagine he learned lessons from the Jags, and certainly, passing up Gilbride would be hard to do anyway. But you could make room for a case where he hired a very strong QBs coach because he was going to go after a young QB.

I'm all for more coaching.

 

oll