NFC contender QB coaches

I was just having a conversation with one of my guys on the Panthers and he was talking our lack of a decent QB coach. Now I do not know much about Mike McCoy, but looking at his bio he is just some wet behind the years kid coach that would appear to be better suited as one of Jackie Miles assistants, but that is just being judgemental.

But I decided to go look at the other NFC contenders and see what they have and it really makes us look sorry in this department

Seattle = Jim Zorn - Nuff said
Chicago = Wade Wilson. Very veteran QB
New York = Kevin Gilbride
Washington = Joe Bugel
Tampa = Paul Hacket

I mean damn, we have a who's who of NFL experiance and Mike McCoy...

Just some fodder for the day

 

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I'm really sick and tired of this whole QB coach discussion. It had been beaten to death as much as the Thomas Davis at SLB issue. Just do a search and you'll undoubtedly come up with threads that will satisfy your curiosity and spare any further argument. In particular I suggest you look for the places where I proved that the vast majority of NFL teams have "QB coaches" with very similar backgrounds to McCoy and filling very similar roles. Some people think we need a better QB coach and they're entitled to that opinion, but pretending that it's such an obvious problem is flat out dishonest and wrong. We might, we might not, but we do much the same thing as the rest of the NFL.

I also question the idea that a coach can teach a 30+ year old much of anything at that point. You know the old saying about old dogs and new tricks. Note also that Wade Wilson obviously can't be that good, Jim Zorn hasn't gotten Hasselbeck to change, and the others are just failed OCs.

 

Well I am not, so STF

 

I thought Joe Bugel was an OL coach. A good guy to have around anyway.

 

He meant Bill Musgrave.

 

we don't need one, jake's mechanics and decision making are flawless. carson palmer takes lessons from jake. and besides, if they weren't, jake's too old to make any kind of improvement. i mean, i'm 38 and i'm improving my shooting form all the time, but jake is just too old. its impossible.

 

If you're still changing your shooting form at that age, I'm guessing you either didn't start until you were in your 30s or you just plain sucked. Jake's mechanics can be awful, but it's simply known in all professional sports that it's incredibly difficult to get a veteran to change their physical responses. You can do some work mentally, but whether it's your swing in baseball or your throwing motion in football or your free throw stroke in basketball, vets generally don't change. Working with a rookie, on the other hand, can be an entirely different story (although even then, similar quality instruction is far less effective than it is on the high school and college levels).

 

A coach does not always change physical attributes. In fact the best coaches are the ones who can make people operate a higher levels than physics would normally allow. Your argument about the value of an experianced QB coach is based on some monolithic principal that dictates coaches only can teach by physical improvement. I will grant you that Jake is who is he is physically and that will not change. But what does affect Jake's abilities are most often what happens between his ears. And my point of the day is that I would much rather have some old savvy veteran who has been there and done that a 100 times over in Jakes ear when the shit is going down than some eager beaver water boy trying to learn how to coach.

 

Not at all. I said that physical improvement is nearly impossible with a veteran, but that while some mental work is possible, even that is very tough. Anyone familiar with brain development can tell you that by the time a person reaches full physical maturity, it's very difficult to change behavior or decision making tendencies. Moreover, if you think Dan Henning hasn't been in Jake's ear throughout the last three seasons, you're hopelessly naive. Henning's hands-on involvement is the main reason we don't have a more instruction-oriented QBs coach (just as it's the reason most NFL teams don't have one, since most OCs still prefer to handle it themselves).