music forum: i've gone back and forth on this

I certainly find myself well versed in most forms of modern music, and I don't turn any of them away.

you may be well versed in "modern" forms of music as you stated but this thing called music started a long time ago. Way back before me and you started listening to what the radio wanted us to. And you will find that even though you don't turn any away that sometimes you have to go out and look. There is a big world out there and it won't come to you.
Good luck in your quest and peace be with you on your road to enlightenment.

 

Most of the music I listen to was around your formidable years. Classic rock, older R&B, funk, pre-rock and roll hard edged pop, rockabilly, old country. I've also studied the basic forms of jazz from the 20s to the 70s. I've studied classical music that goes on back a few hundred years. I might not know everything and I'm not setting out to do it, but I certainly have a broad range. It might never be enough for me to not get talked down to about it, but hell, they don't make that much music Either way, just because I'm in my 20s and have a radio doesn't mean my experience totally expands from there.


Math:

>>what I'm reading is that the people who really want to talk about music don't help themselves by posting about music.

Yes. There are a number of people significantly discouraged from posting about it because it's not the same situation it was.

>>I really want to talk about music, and have started several threads about music, but I haven't seen many of the Music Forum regulars start threads about music.

I don't start threads that often. I'm not going to defend the idea. But if people don't feel comfortable doing it in this situation, or just don't want to, that should be taken into consideration. This is a forum, not a business or a governing, so it shouldn't be that hard to please a small amount of the masses that had something that was enjoyable but was taken away.

>>But the reasons for it I'm reading so far don't have anything to do with demand.

Typical businessman. Cut one service, drop in overall usage, but think that everything's fine because you scared away the portion of users that used that service. Seems like demand is in fact there, or else you wouldn't find most of the old music regulars coming back and saying it's a big deal to them and they intentionally don't post anymore.


It's not that huge a deal. If people want to put up a huge fuss and keep a music forum away, then I don't need one. Hard for me to put my feelings on music ahead of a bunch of people who don't post in music anyway. But if it's to be discussed I'll discuss it. And I'll argue for what I'd rather see happen.

 

I find it more peaceful to talk about the interests of other posters. My taste and perspective differ from the vast majority of posters; yet for the most part, I can "see where they're coming from."[Isn't that good of me. ] Rather than totally alienating y'all, when it comes to music, I usually keep my posts on the lighter side; or I go to a music board.
[I know, I didn't always.]

Another, or variance of, reason that I don't discuss music is that most folks can't or don't differentiate between their personal likes and what is "good"; e.g. "if I don't like it, it's bad or it sucks." [I gotta admit here that this often confuses me, sometimes I don't know how to respond.]
Also, I greatly appreciate the listener that takes the time to listen/train his ear; it's an ongoing process.

 

Let's remember that the Football forum was created out of Sports because of demand. I may seem like a 'typical businessman' in this argument, but really my feelings are based on TBR precedence. I'm not much of a businessman in real life.

I can't help that the old regulars don't want to look around a bit for threads that have moved down. They could change their settings to view more threads on the page, or they could do a search, or they could start new threads, or they could visit more often. I still think more music topic activity makes for the best reason to split.

 

I wonder if this is the crux of the matter for the 'old regulars'. We do have a flood of opinionated music threads. I'll talk theory, etc., as long as I can keep up.

 

The plain and simple fact is that those music threads in question are moving off the front page because no one is responding to them. Could be for a lot of reasons but it is a known fact that if a thread is interesting then it will make it's way to the top.
I really don't care what forums there are and thats the truth. I do bullshit a lot but whether there is an official music forum is not something that I care either way about. build it--don't build it--but just tell the truth about it. And that is "I can't get no attention with this many people around."
If it hadn't have been for Lex coming in and boosting the other Music Forum, which by the way is meant in a good way, then it would sit there for days with no one posting.
Have one or don't have one but be honest about the reasons.

 

it certainly didn't seem to bother you when you didn't have control of the music forum and you were content to talk about Rush, et al. in R&R all day.

Sure does seem like demand. I'm sorry if there's not R&R numbers going for it, but there damn sure does seem to be enough people that want it. The majority of the people that don't want it still don't seem to talk about music, or TV, much at all.

It ain't about attention. If I wanted attention I'd sit there and respond in every R&R thread. If I wanted attention I'd sit there and post on everything in here and start picking on people and then crying when they don't agree with me and say I don't care.

 

is it possible to divide entertain into sub catagories like the preps forum?

movies/television
music
food/drink
books/literary material

 

No, it didn't bother me. But I didn't start many threads in R&R about music, save for the occasional 'song in my head' type thread. So I mostly discussed what someone else had started.

It's not about control. I'm just saying that if you want a separate forum, 'because' is not good enough.

 

that'd be a nice idea, WJ. That's what I'd hoped for whenever the first forum groups got started, and that's how it was. Not a ton of people want to talk about food, or music, or books or TV, but the ones who do seem to enjoy it. I'd rather have a couple of steady, small subforums that aren't bothering anybody than have a couple new forums where the mod is the only one talking and starting threads.