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Discussion in 'MLB - Baseball Forum' started by vpkozel, Mar 15, 2006.

  1. vpkozel

    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    If he had any balls, he'd tell Barry not to bother showing up, because he's done in a Giants uniform. He'll still get paid, but he's never going to take the field again.

    Fuck that ************.

    And this goes for any owner or player who has as much evidence that he used roids too.
     
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    gridfaniker Loathsome

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    I'm glad Nomar got traded.
     

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    two-six yes, i carved this

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    so vp,you're the guy with the pictures? could you post those please?
     
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    Until fans in SF start to give a fuck, that's not going to happen. So far, as long as he hits the digers into McCovey, they show up.

    :twocents:


    And yeah, Nomar fading statistics and biceps are a pretty good indication he was using.

    I don't think anyone is going to "investigate" anything, because of the lack of a smoking gun (positive test, pictures, something), and Selig just wants the roid era to go away, because it (with help from roiders McGwire and Sosa) "saved" baseball.

    But if they do, it should include more than Bonds.
     
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    Bonds will pass Ruth, who played in the "No Blackies" era...

    :ylsuper:
     
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    Collin soap and water

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    For what it's worth, Peter Gammons wrote that professional bodybuilders informed him that the picture in question actually suggests that Nomar wasn't using steroids because he doesn't have the same definition he would have with "help," especially around his abdomen. Moreover, the type of injuries Nomar has struggled with aren't consistent with steroid use either, and it's not as if he's suspiciously lost any weight since then. I'm not saying he hasn't used, but I don't think the evidence supports such an accusation at this point. Then again, I didn't think Palmeiro used either.
     
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    i got a friend whos last name is mcgowan, he ride motocross though, doubght its the same guy
     
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    So in essence by your last statement and what came about (positive test result) your speculating solely on opinion and not nationally recognized facts. NEXT....
     
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    If Gammons said it (and he did), I'm going to give it a lot of weight.
     
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    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    Here is what Gammons wrote.

    If a player is thrown into the public stocks by hypothetical or deductive guesswork, he is damaged, with little recourse. There is no better example than Nomar Garciaparra. His famous Sports Illustrated cover was quickly thrown up as 'roid proof when he got hurt in spring training 2001. Now, any Gold's Gym bodybuilder and trainer will take that picture and point to the fact that he's developed in but two places and actually has love handles, a surefire sign that he is not a juicer. "That," says Mark Verstegen of Athletes Performance Institute and Garciaparra's trainer going back to Georgia Tech, "was the worst shape he was ever in."

    Verstegen bristles at the Garciaparra question because he knows Nomar better than anyone. For a decade, Nomar has been going to API in Bradenton, Fla.; Tempe, Ariz.; and, at the Home Depot Center this winter, in Carson, Calif. And, like anyone and everyone who trains at API, he has to sign an ethics statement and adhere to Verstegen's program to provide an ethical alternative to cheating, a program that has been adopted by the National Football League.

    "Nomar had physical issues dating back to high school," says Verstegen. "He nearly had surgery for hamstring problems in the minor leagues. Then in the last week of the 1999 season, he got hit by a pitch in Baltimore and essentially ruined his wrist there; he should have had surgery that winter, but he tried to play through it, made it through the 2000 season until it finally gave out. The Achilles and groin injuries are freaks, and not related."

    Verstegen -- who says a person can gain 1½ to 2 pounds of muscle mass a week in his program of core strength exercise, weights and strict nutrition (Nomar is a vanilla shake guy) -- insists "that Nomar never had any dramatic weight gains in an offseason. He went from 163 to 167 to 174 to 182 to 195 (pounds), and is now back at 185. But he has to deal with idle speculation? It is completely unfair and irresponsible." Sitting there, hurt, Garciaparra has no way to answer.
     

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