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Matrix: Reloaded (spoiler edition)

Discussion in 'TV & Movie Discussion' started by The Brain, May 16, 2003.

  1. The Brain

    The Brain Defiler of Cornflakes

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    :mad: Fuckin movie pissed me off... movie is going all good and in flow... and all of a sudden it takes a twist and confuses the shit outta you... then REALLY confuses the shit outt you... then ENDS... FUCK... gotta wait till Novemember now.
     
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    To Be Continued.
     
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    TW1GGY Do you scream??

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    lot of story.. lot of set up.. need more... need more..... confused... slow in parts.. confusing.... it's all set up and confusion.
     
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    nope nope I was corrected this 4 times tonight a Concord Mills when I said that... its "To Be Concluded"
     
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    batgrafix hannle yo biddness

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    DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE -





    I thought it was pretty good storyline-wise... wasn't all just fighting, which I was surprised about. The only thing that I thought was kinda questionable is when he restarted Trinity's heart, he only pumped it like 3 tmes or so like priming his lawnmower and she was fine after that...

    But I see Agent Smith now as like some kind of Virus - He's not "part" of the Matix anymore but he's still *in the Matrix - I guess he got some kind of new powers and stuff when Neo did his thing at the end of part 1... and that's why he can't destroy Smith like he did in part 1 - at least that is what I think -

    And that other guy on the stretcher at the end HAS to be Agent Smith in human form of some sort...

    I like how you think the story is so deep, and then once he goes inside the "room' with all the TV's with the guy, you find out a whole even deeper and more encompassing story-arch. Very nice twist. Supposedly this whole "story" or series of events has happened 6 times before - and the "one" is the person whom they guage their sucess in rewriting the matrix program every time. Interesting choice he makes at the end. I guess he figured Zion was "f'ed" either way... why not try something different and try to save Trinity at the same time?

    Once they are back in the real world, I guess maybe some of Agent Smith is part of him now as well, as he can now act "matix-like" outside of the matrix. I guess this is the way they'll have to destroy the matrix for good - physically, in the real world.
     
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    The dude just FLEW to get her there so I can sorta overlook that.

    So of Neo's DNA left a trace in Smith's programming...

    OBVIOUSLY... remember he did that merge thing with the guy BEFORE he got pulled back through the phone.

    nope... this I FINALLY think I've figured out... they are in a program inside a program... technically they are still in the Matrix... Zion isn't REALLY destroyed... they just think it is... that's why he still has access to his powers when he is "outside"... which he really isn't... confusing I know.
     
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    batgrafix hannle yo biddness

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    Yeah, I was thinking of something along those lines too... that it was a program inside a program so they'd focus on stopping the 'decoy' program and no one would know the *real* program running in the Background that was 'reality'...

    I'll shit my pants if Keanu Reeves wakes up as his office desk at the end of the 3rd movie and this whole damn thing was a dream...
     
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    I'm surprised so many people got confused. I had a hard time grasping the first one, and had to watch it a few more times, but this one made a whole lot more sense than the last one and was way easier to follow. The fight scenes were awesome and I thought it was just as good as the first one. The bar is just set so high that it's hard to impress everyone as much (Like Terminator 3 will be)
     
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    I found the 3 main dialogues from the movie. If you missed parts of them, or are having trouble understanding what's going on, then these might help you like they did me.......

    Dialogue between Neo and Councilor Hamann

    Councilor Hamann - Care for some company?

    Neo - Councilor Hamann.

    Councilor Hamann - I don't want to intrude if you prefer to be alone.

    Neo - No, I could probably use some company.

    Councilor Hamann - Good, so could I. It's nice tonight, very calm. It feels like everyone is sleeping very peacefully.

    Neo - Not everyone.

    Councilor Hamann - I hate sleeping. I never sleep more than a few hours. I figure I slept the first eleven years of my life, and now I'm making up for it. What about you?

    Neo - I just haven't been able to sleep much.

    Councilor Hamann - That's a good sign.

    Neo - Of what?

    Councilor Hamann - That you are in fact, still human.

    Councilor Hamann - Have you ever been to the engineering level?

    Neo - *Shakes his head no*

    Councilor Hamann - I love to walk there at night. It's quite amazing. Would you like to see it?

    Neo - Sure.

    *at the engineering level*

    Councilor Hamann - Almost no one comes down here, unless of course there's a problem. That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works, as long as it works. I like it down here. I like to be reminded that this city survives because of these machines. These machines are keeping us alive, while other machines are coming to kill us. Interesting, isn't it? The power to give life, and the power to end it.

    Neo - We have the same power.

    Councilor Hamann - Ah, I suppose we do, but down here sometimes I think about all those people still plugged into the matrix, and when I look at these machines I, I can't help thinking that in a way we are plugged into them.

    Neo - But we control these machines, they don't control us.

    Councilor Hamann - Well, of course not. How could they? The idea is pure nonsense, but... it does make one wonder just what is control?

    Neo - If we wanted, we could shut these machines down.

    Councilor Hamann - Haha, of course. That's it, you hit it. That's control, isn't it? If we wanted, we could smash them to bits. Oh, but if we did, we would have to consider what would happen to our lights, our heat, our air.

    Neo - So we need machines, and they need us. Is that your point, councilor?

    Councilor Hamann - No, no point. Old men like me don't bother with making points. There's no point.

    Neo - Is that why there are no young men on the council?

    Councilor Hamann - Good point.

    Neo - Why don't you tell me what's on your mind, councilor?

    Councilor Hamann - There is so much in this world that I do not understand. You see that machine? It has something to do with recycling our water supply. I have absolutely no idea how it works, but I do understand the reason for it to work. I have absolutely no idea how you are able to do some of the things you do, but I believe there's a reason for that as well. I only hope that we understand that reason before it's too late.
     
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    Dialogue between Neo and the Oracle

    *Neo walks towards the Oracle. She is sitting on a bench in a park, feeding birds*

    The Oracle - Well, come on. I ain't gonna bite you. Come around here, and let me have a look at you. My goodness, look at you! You turned out alright, didn't you? How do you feel?

    Neo - I, uhh...

    The Oracle - I know you're not sleeping. We'll get to that. Why don't you come and have a sit this time?

    Neo - Maybe I'll stand.

    The Oracle - Well, suit your self.

    *Neo hesitates at first, but then sits down on the bench*

    Neo - I felt like sitting.

    The Oracle - I know. So, let's get the obvious stuff out of the way.

    Neo - You're not human, are you?

    The Oracle - Well it's tough to get any more obvious than that.

    Neo - If I had to guess, I'd say you're a program from the machine world.

    *Neo looks over to Seraph*

    Neo - So is he.

    The Oracle - So far, so good.

    Neo - But if that's true, that can mean you are a part of this system, another kind of control.

    The Oracle - Keep going.

    Neo - I suppose the most obvious question is: how can I trust you?

    The Oracle - Bingo! It is a pickle, no doubt about it. The bad news is that there's no way you can really know if I'm here to help you or not. So, it's really up to you. You just have to make up your own damn mind to either accept what I'm going to tell you, or reject it.

    *The Oracle reaches into her bag and pulls out a red candy*

    The Oracle - Candy?

    Neo - You already know if I'm going to take it.

    The Oracle - I wouldn't be much of an oracle if I didn't.

    Neo - But if you already know, how can I make a choice?

    The Oracle -Because you didn't come here to make a choice, you've already made it. You're here to try to understand why you made it.

    *Neo takes the candy*

    The Oracle - I thought you would have figured that out by now.

    Neo - Why are you here?

    The Oracle - Same reason. I love candy. *the Oracle eats one of the red candies*

    Neo - But why help us?

    The Oracle -We're all here to do what we're all here to do. I'm interested in one thing, Neo: the future. And believe me, I know, the only way to get there is together.

    Neo - Are there other programs like you?

    The Oracle - Oh, well, not like me. But... look, see those birds? At some point a program was written to govern them. A program was written to watch over the trees, and the wind, the sunrise, and sunset. There are programs running all over the place. The ones doing there job, doing what they were meant to do, are invisible. You'd never even know they were here. But the other ones, well, we hear about them all the time.

    Neo - I've never heard of them.

    The Oracle - Oh, of course you have. Every time you've heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you've ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens, is the system assimilating some program that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing.

    Neo - Programs hacking programs? Why?

    The Oracle - They have there reasons, but usually a program choose exile when it faces deletion.

    Neo - Why would a program be deleted?

    The Oracle - Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it. It happens all the time, and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to the source.

    Neo - The machine mainframe?

    The Oracle - Yes, where you must go, where the path of the one ends. You've seen it, in your dreams. Haven't you? The door made of light?

    *Neo nods*

    The Oracle - What happens when you go through the door?

    Neo - I see Trinity, and something happens, something bad. She starts to fall, and then I wake up.

    The Oracle - Do you see her die?

    Neo - No.

    The Oracle - You have the sight now, Neo. You are looking at the world without time.

    Neo - Then why can't I see what happens to her?

    The Oracle - We can never see past the choices we don't understand.

    Neo - Are you saying I have to choose whether Trinity lives or dies?

    The Oracle - No. You've already made the choice, now you have to understand it.

    *Neo shakes his head*

    Neo - No, I can't do that. I won't.

    The Oracle - You have to.

    Neo - Why?

    The Oracle - Because you're the one.

    Neo - What if I can't? What happens if I fail?

    The Oracle - Then Zion will fall.

    *Seraph places his hand on The Oracles shoulder. The Oracle and Seraph nod to each other.*

    The Oracle - Our time is up. Listen to me Neo, you can save Zion if you reach the source, but to do that you will need the Keymaker.

    Neo - The Keymaker?

    The Oracle - Yes, he disappeared sometime ago. We did not know what happened to him until now. He's being held prisoner by a very dangerous program, one of the oldest of us. He is called the Merovingian, and he will not let him go willingly.

    Neo - What does he want?

    The Oracle - What do all men with power want? More power.

    *The Oracle hands Neo a piece of paper*

    The Oracle - Be there, at that exact time, and you will have a chance.

    Seraph - We must go.

    The Oracle - It seems like every time we meet, I've got nothing but bad news. I'm sorry about that, I surely am. But for what it's worth, you've made a believer out of me.

    *The Oracle pats Neo's arm*

    The Oracle - Good luck kiddo.

    *Seraph takes the Oracle away*
     

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