Losing your religion

actually, there were many people who had an issue with the islamic treatment of women, it's just that nobody cared. the first wave of talking heads after 9/11 were people who were already trying to draw attention to the taliban for their extreme mistreatment of women.

the bible is very skewed towards making women the "bad guy". it's not as overt as it is in islamic faith, but it's still there.

 

I have always heard things like "women are the weaker vessel" and the like but it was more in an effort to get men to do their share and to appreciate the women more. I agree that many christians believe that there are certain roles in the church any way that are gender specific. Many churches do not think women should be pastors. It is not based on a view of women as evil or the bad guy. It is based on certain scriptures in the book of Timothy and those passages also make it clear that women are to treated fairly and looked upon with respect. I think the effect some of you are describing is more of an old fashioned chivalry type view of the sexes than it is anything more hateful.

 

On a seperate note there seems to be a complete lack of support for the efforts we have made to liberate women in Afghanistan on the part of the feminist movement. It seems to me that they should be applauding such efforts...

 

Or maybe they are just trying to point out that they are tired of you and other men thinking for them. See D'lo above.

Chivalry is fine though. I doubt anyone has a problem with that. But that's not what they are talking about. At least that's not what I took from them.

 

I was reading something the other day that reminded me about the homosexual argument in this thread. It said there are more homosexuals now than ever before because women started messing with their hormones ( mostly from birth control pills ). There had been a study done on women that had treatment for misscarriages back in the 50's and a disportionately large number of them had children that were homosexual. The drug they used was DES or something like that. Anyway that drug seriously messed with a woman's hormones.

 

Thanks, but FWIW I wouldn't consider myself "enlightened" -- at least not in the way I think you mean. I'm just trying to eliminate all the 'extras' and go by what's actually written in the Bible.

Would you be willing to cite an example?

That's true, but that's where both believer and observer have to know to separate the true doctrine from the corruption of an evil or misguided few.

If more men (and women) in general adopted the attitude that the Bible teaches toward women, this would be a very different world, and a much better world for women, especially.

 

I don't know, but you used more than I did in this post.

I don't know, but I do know that I switched from left to right in elementary school, before I settled with right. Now, I can't write with my left hand anymore. If it's genetic, how did I go from ambidexterity to completely right-handed.

 

that's a very moving story.... but nobody here is suggesting that the ability to write is genetic. besides, handedness is a predisposition towards the use of one hand vs the other, not the absolute inability to use your off hand. just like sexual orientation is your natural preference towards one sex or the other. it's not like a gay man is physically unable to insert his penis into a vagina.

what made you want to use your left hand originally and what made you want to switch to right?

 

my mom was left-handed, so I copied her originally when I wrote things in school, but then I switched over to the right hand, it was easier for me to write that way.