Losing your religion

the story of job is a parable

 

Job never lost his faith but he did a lot of moaning, groaning and complaining. I think what most of us like Fred feel, we haven't lost our faith in God really, but it's people, the church and religion we are having a hard time with. And no we aren't perfect, we struggle with our faults like everyone else. But it's when people that have their own sin in their life condeming other people and telling them they are going to hell for their lifestyle is when we have a hard time relating to that person.

 

I don't have a gene that makes me a heterosexual, and you don't have one that makes you a homosexual. There's no concrete proof. I've researched the topic, and found researchers who say there is, and some who say there isn't. Until it becomes official that there is one, I'm going to assume there isn't.

 

No it isn't!

 

Even if it were a parable it would still be signifigant and VI's point would not change.

 

I suppose your right that it wouldn't change things, but people try to say many of the stories in the OT were parables and they weren't. Ticks me off.

 

Oh c'mon now. He takes heat in NOTD because he can't recognize that refuting his mix of politics and morality is not the same as arguing against morality. Whether it's because he's unable or unwilling to do so is something I'm not quite sure on yet. But it's not because we are all a bunch of heathens that don't like what he is saying simply because it's upholding morailty. Besides, his statement is something one should learn the first week of Sunday School.

 

My whole point is that politics, law and any other public ideas are going to be shaped and governed by morality. The only question is whose morality will do the shaping. I think a lot of you think that you can take morality completely out of the equation but that is not possible. Even the idea of fairness, which is what seems to be very important to many on here, is rooted in morality.

 

I have never understood the desire to make things into parables when it is not clear that they are. I guess to some they would carry less importance if they were parables but I do not understand why they think that way.

 

All I ask is that you argue it on the merits and not by trying to imply or assume that those of us who disagree are heathens, terrorists, or murderers. It's really not that hard. And try not to tell me what I am thinking when I continue to say otherwise.

But I'll try again....
There's right, and there's wrong. Period. I've said before I agree with you on that. You can try and talk about "whose morality" all you want, but that is simply a straw man you create so that when someone disagrees with your political solutions you can then accuse them of trying to be immoral and "thrusting their morality on you". That's crap, of course. You do it every time. But what it boils down to is they (or I) disagree with your political solution to a problem that you see based on a need for morality. One doesn't have to be immoral to disagree with your solutions if they suck - just as one is not godly simply if they agree with your solutions. You might want to work on that distinction.