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Jehova's Witnesses

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by Ignatowski, Aug 9, 2004.

  1. JrMonarchs AAA

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    Question about this one. Is it just blood, or any medications? Let's say, someone is going door to door and happens to get hit by a car. The EMTs arrive and start working on the patient. They have strict rules as to "Do no harm", and DNR orders. If one of this person's friends is on hand, how far can the EMTs go? That is quite a dilemma for someone trained to help, when helping may be the wrong thing to do.
     
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    A good friend of mine at work is a JW. Years ago, her young son was hit by a car and was in pretty bad shape. She refused to allow the doctors to give him a blood transfusion, knowing that he would probably die without it. Her rational was that "his eternal soul [was] more important this his life on earth". The hospital called CPS and they took custody away from her temporarily for "child endangerment", and gave him the blood transfusion. She was horribly distraught, and dreaded having to tell him when he finally regained consciousness. She did tell him, and he was terribly upset for months. She said that to this day (it's been over 12 years), he still can't talk about it.

    I asked her what happens to him in that case- is receving a blood transfusion a sin to them, and what about the fact that he was unaware of it and she did all she could to stop it? Does that mean that he won't get to Heaven or be one of the 144 thousand (or whatever they believe)? I never did get a straight answer out of her.
     
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    She does not have a very good lawyer. That's just crazy.
     
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    It's not crazy. Just where do you draw the line? Doctors are supposed to save lives. If it's within their means, and in this case it was, do they just say, ok and let the kid die, or do they try to save a child?

    I have a hard time with this. God gave us the ability to think and choose right and wrong. If we have the ability to fix things, is it wrong to do so?
     
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    Well, unless they can prove that the violating the relevant section of the religion will not have a repercussion, then that is just screwed up.

    Pretend that pork is discovered to have some curing power. Can you imagine that all Orthodox Jews would be forced to eat it?

    God did give us that ability, and she was doing what she felt was best for her child - even if it meant having him die. The gov't has no right intruding on that relationship.
     
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    I'm not thinking about government. I'm saying that if a Dr. lets a kid die and he could save him, where does that leave him when dealing with God. God gave him the ability to save lives, and he didn't.

    God gives tests all the time... did the doctor fail?
     
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    But what if it was a test for the mother?
     
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    :nono: answering a question with a question...


    :laugh1:
     
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    freedom of religion has limitations. for example, if a canibal was to move to the united states, he couldn't eat humans. polygamy is illegal, and there are plenty of religions that espouse it.

    i believe it's a tough call to make here (the blood transfusion) but think of it this way -- if a 14-year old wanted to commit suicide because he transgressed against his religion and his mother bought him the gun to do it (knowing it was his intention), should criminal charges be filed?
     
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    Is cannibalism illegal or is killing a person to eat them the crime? I mean, if you only eat people who die naturally are you breaking the law? I believe the marriage that you are referring to is the legal marriage. If someone has a service with 20 wives and only one legal one, the government is going to have a hard time arresting them, IMO.

    And neither of those cases would somehow prevent someone from running afoul of their religion so bad as to possibly threaten their ability to be saved.

    Would you charge her if she bought him a car and he commited suicide by running over a cliff?
     

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