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Is it Christmas or Santamas ? ? ?

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by sds70, Dec 3, 2007.

  1. sds70

    sds70 'King Kong Ain't Got **** On Me!!!!!'

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    I think I saw this lady on TV once, Evangleist Carol Kornacki . . . She was on Benny Hinn last time he was in Charlotte conducting one of his Pastor Meetings . . . She was heavy into drug use and dealing in witchcraft back in the 70's until she went to a Benny Hinn meeting in Buffalo, NY and got born-again.

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    Tuesday, November 27, 2007

    CHRIST-MAS OR SANTA-MAS?

    I was sitting at a restaurant enjoying my chicken and mashed potatoes, when an attractive woman with three children strolled in. She approached me said, “You’re Carol Kornacki, I remember, you spoke at the Christian Athletes Bible study in Tampa.” I smiled and moved over in the large booth to give her room to join me. As we sat and chatted, I looked at all of the wonderful displays for the holiday. There were lovely decorated wreaths and garlands and there was a mechanical talking Santa at the door promising gifts to all the children that have been good all year.

    “So Carol," Amy asked, "how do you feel about the traditions attached to the Christmas holiday, should they be celebrated? I understand it is a pagan celebration of the sun god, do you know anything about the celebration?”
    Do you want to know what my first reaction to her was? Okay, I’ll tell you, my very first reaction was, “Here we go, another Christian over reacting to Santa.”
    When I left the restaurant I thought about her. She was kind, loving and sincere, but was she sincerely wrong? I went on home and didn’t give it another thought.

    The next day I walked into Borders bookstore. I love that place, it has the best hot chocolate. On my way to get my scrumptious drink, I passed a magazine rack. There it was in Life Magazine, the feature was, “History of Christmas.” “Well, (I thought) this is perfect I got to check this out.” And so I did.
    Please keep in mind I am not here to “dis Santa.” I just want to share with you what I researched and discovered. REMEMBER, I READ THIS IN LIFE MAGAZINE, SO DON’T GET MAD AT ME………

    The Babylonians, Persians and Macedonians celebrated the end of the year solstice; it took place at the end of December. The druids, (a pagan priesthood) would decorate an oak tree with mistletoe at the top. By the way, mistletoe and the kissing beneath it has pagan written all over it. The people of Norway believed that it had mystical powers from the gods, Baldur being one of them. When you walked under the mistletoe you would kiss the one you were with to celebrate the resurrection of Baldur. Imagine that, the resurrection of Baldur. Also in December, the Roman’s celebrated the god, Saturn. The celebration is called Saturnalia; it is a time of overeating, drinking and making merry. It was celebrated on December 25th.

    I was interested in learning more so I continued to read about the tradition of Santa Claus. Who was this ancient character? This is what I learned. Santa Claus is an elf. A jolly old elf that has magical power and is omnipresent. Remember, “He knows when you are sleeping he knows when your awake, he knows when you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.” He knows everything. He lives in the North at the tip of the earth. The Bible teaches us that heaven is in the north.
    Santa Claus can fly through the air with magical animals that take him everywhere giving gifts. Cute, right…so that makes it okay?
    He puts his finger beside his nose and whoosh, up the chimney he goes. Just good old ancient fun for our children. Hmmmm...I wonder! Santa Claus is a product of the great American melting pot, a blend of many different cultures and customs. His earlier ancestors date back to the pre-Christian days, when sky-riding gods ruled the earth. The mythological characters Odin, Thor and Saturn gave us the many of Santa’s distinctive characteristics.

    Part of the tradition springs from a man called St. Nick. There are many stories associated with him. It is legend; he helped three daughters that had no dowry to get married. St Nick threw bags of gold down the chimney and the next morning the gold was found in their socks that had been hung by the fireplace to dry. Thus, the girls were no longer poor and were able to get married. St Nick’s day is December 6th. A celebration of a saint? Odd!
    Now, it is a historical fact that April is the month in which the Christ Child was born. Celebrating it in December is fine. We have celebrated “His birth” on the twenty fifth for over a hundred years. Luke, (chapter one) tells the beautiful story of the birth of Christ!
    What about the Christmas tree? Let me tell you the wonderful story that is told concerning Martin Luther and how he taught his children. One cold starlit winter night in the woods, he spotted an evergreen tree. This godly man cut it down and carried it home As they decorated it; he taught them that the evergreen can be used to illustrate eternal life, because even during the winter months it remains green. Luther told them that the candles represented Jesus,” the light of the world”. He used the three points of the tree to illustrate the Trinity, And he said, “the top of the tree points to heaven from whence Jesus the Son of God came.” How beautiful does it all become when we train our precious children this way. What an illustration for our children to see when they gather around the tree. And the wonderful exchanging of gifts as we celebrate, “Behold a Child is born," God’s gift!

    HERE IS WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM ALL THAT I LEARNED THAT DAY,
    THEY HAVE FORBIDDEN JESUS IN THE SCHOOLS;
    THEY HAVE THROWN HIM OUT OF THE COURTHOUSES.
    NATIVITY SCENES ARE NOW CONSIDERED “POLITICALLY INCORRECT!”
    So, I have decided that in my home Christmas will be a celebration of the “Birth of the Savoir of the world.” Not a jolly old elf with magical powers visiting my home… that is my decision.
    MAY THE LIVING GOD, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, THAT GAVE US HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON REIGN IN YOUR HOME THIS SEASON AND "TAKE FULL PRESIDENCE" OVER ANY THING ELSE.
    I LOVE YOU AND WISH YOU VERY GLORIOUS CHRIST-MAS.
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS!!!

     
  2. hasbeen99

    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    Christmas is what you make of it. That's the beauty of America.
     
  3. CelticCat

    CelticCat ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED

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    But why December 25th and not April if that's what you want to call it?

    Or is this just an arbitrary day for Jesus, Muhammed and all the rest because its convenient.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the Roman empire claimed the Winter Solstice away from the pagans for Christianity when the empire converted.
     
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    ECILAM Celebrate Diversity

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    The short answer is, the season of the solstice was sacred to European pagans - both Northern and Mediterranean - since so long ago we may never know how exactly when it all started.

    December 25 and the days surrounding it were already pretty crowded with various observances and culture-specific traditions in the Roman Empire. And when the Christian church decided on what the offical date for Jesus's birth would be, they knew if they wanted a piece of the pie later on, they'd need to staple their flier on the same bulletin board as everybody else. 25 December or something pretty close was by this time standard practice.

    With Europe's gradual forced conversion to Christianity, some remnants of the indigenous ways just couldn't be suppressed, no matter how hard the Church tried. And seasonal traditions of the Yuletide like holly wreaths, the exchanging of gifts, the mistletoe thing, and of course decorating trees for the "alfs" (elves).... especially big fat ones that bring presents for kids on sleighs pulled by magic reindeer... survive to this day.

    Early on, the Church tried forbidding the holiday decoration of trees in certain villages. So the story goes, one day a traditionalist got the bright idea of chopping down a smaller tree, dragging it inside, and decorating it indoors where nobody could say anything. This process, and the potential for family activity and fun began to catch on. Most of us who have observed Christmas probably can understand why.

    So yes, Christian meanings, including the word "Christ-Mass" are an add-on - almost an afterthought - stapled onto a much wider range of traditions in a very crowded time of the year. Some people get "mad" when they have this pointed out to them; they shouldn't. For one thing, it's old news. For another, the sharing of one season with a variety of traditions is not some new "politically correct" hippie thing invented in the '60s. Religious tolerance was practiced long ago. It's gradually making a comeback, and that's a good thing.

    More information about December 25.
     

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