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Is God and Allah the same person?

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by HulkaManiaRunninWild, Mar 1, 2004.

  1. Thelt

    Thelt Full Access Member

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    Islam denies the truth of christianity. Christ was the son of God and he died and rose again to save the lost. Islam denies this so it is a false religion. It twists christian doctrine and is therefore a perversion of christianity.
     
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    Hagia Sofia is in Istanbul - which of course was the seat of the Ottoman Empire. It had been built by Constatine (I think) when he was the first Christian Roman Emperor. It was a marvel of engineering. The church was treated with respect by the Ottomans and never desecrated. They never tried to turn it into a mosque. In fact, they thought so highly of it and its architecture that they built the awesome Blue Mosque across the square - which amazingly enough bears a striking resemblance to Sofia.

    Now, contrast that the way that teh Crusaders treated mosques.

    Did that clear it up?
     
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    hasbeen99 Fighting the stereotype

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    A lot of belief systems fall under that definition. Doesn't mean they're perversions of Christianity.


    How? :huh:
     
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    The reason Islam is a perversion is that it accepts certain aspects of christianity but denies the fundamentals of it. If it totally rejected all aspects of christianity then it would just be a false religion like Bhudism or Hinduism.

    Islam is to Christianity as Baseketball (the sport in the dumb movie from the guys who make south park) is to the NBA. It takes certain pieces from it but it in no way compares to the real thing.
     
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    I guess I'll have to concede the point somewhat. The Qur'an does recognize Jesus as more than an ordinary human being (which is more credit than most belief systems will give Him), but still stop short of acknowledging Him as the New Testament does. By doing so, they attempt to make Him less than Christianity recognizes Him, so by definition you are correct.

    However, I would be very quick to point out that several other religions would fall into the same category. For example, as far as I know, Jehovah's witnesses (who call Him an angel) and I think Mormons also could be called perversions of Biblical Christianity, based solely on their perceptions and acknowledgments of Jesus.
     
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    Now you are on the right track. If the religion denies the gospel then it is either a false religion or a perversion of christianity. I guess maybe Judaism falls into a seperate catagorey since they believe that Christ has not yet arrived.
     
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    The believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet, but not the Messiah.

    And I think that Mormons believe everything in the New Testament - they just add that Christ came to North America too.
     
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    slydevl Asshole for the People!

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    All Islam is is Christianity with all the questions removed. It is an easy religion to accept because there is no need for faith other than the single basic requirement of believing in Allah. Basically, Mohammed attempted to create a vanilla form of Judeo-Christianity.
     
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    That's an interesting way of putting it. Don't know if I'd disagree, either.
     
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    Islam believes that Christ was a prophet. He didn't die on the cross and he rose to heaven still alive. If Islam is a perversion of Christianity, then Christianity is a perversion of Judaism. Judaism was there first and the Christians just added on top of it and took out the parts they didn't like. Exactly the same way that Islam was born from Christianity.

    Here's a question for you Thelt, which form of Christianity is the real one? Catholicism? Orthodox? Protestantism? Mormonism? Christian Science? Baptists? Episcopalians? Presbyterians? They all believe slightly different versions of the bible so if there is only one true religion, which is it?
     

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