intelligent design

Saw a discussion of this topic somewhere else.

Best comment I saw went something like this:

"ID is just proof that humans are too stubborn to say 'I don't know'. Instead we explain it away with Jesus this and that. We're too impatient to wait for science to properly fill in the blanks."

Good call.

 

That is not an evolutionary feature - unless the compostion of their lungs is somehow different than everyone elses.

But they still have to LEARN. All other mammals (at least I think that is right) are born KNOWING how to swim.

 

Which is actually pretty fascinating because not only do the mutations need to occur that cause the physical changes that make swimming an adaptive benefit but they also need to occur simultaneously in genes which pass along the instinctive knowledge of how to swim. Epigenesis.

 

you've never seen babies swimming before? they are actually pretty good at it.


but we're going off now on aquatic ape theory.


the question that i'm still hoping somebody can address is what does id theorized happened? what do id proponents want taught in schools as "intelligent design"? is "or there might be a creator" all you really want said? when the inevitable questions of who this creator is, where he is, if he's still there, how he does things, what other things he does, how many there are, etc all come up, what do you want said?

 

Yes, I have. But it is still a learned skill - which would hardly be an evolutionary advantage.

 

It's just a way of explaining how your environment plays a big part in how you evolve or don't.

Babies can swim before they can walk. I don't think they 'learn' as much as just it takes a little practice to do what comes naturally. Fear keeps them from it after they are older and something or someone has taught them to be afraid of the water. Do you think babies learn to walk or would they do it if we never stood them up and showed them how?

All the mammals that swim right off the bat are four legged critters. They aren't doing much more than 'walking' ( dog paddling) through water and they get to the other side of the creek.

 

learned? how is it learned? babies instinctively hold their breath when underwater. by the age of 18 months they lose that ability.

a baby instinctively knowing how to hold it breath and being boyant with extra fat stores would have a leg up over sinkers.

 

That's great. Who's disagreeing with it?

Babies can swim before they can walk because it requires less muscle development. It has nothing to do with evolution.

I don't know about teaching them to walk. But I do know I never taught Filip how to crawl, nor did I make it a habit to crawl around my house a bunch, but he seemed to master that OK.

 

Swimming, not holding breath. I have to tell you though, the ability to hold breath could be one fun ass scientific experiment to test.

 

and there's a difference between treading water and being aquatic. most mammals that swim do so by keeping their heads above water and scrambling their feet until they get somewhere. they don't submerge themselves and resurface unless they're aquatic or semi-aquatic.