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intelligent design

Discussion in 'Religion & Spirituality Forum' started by Superfluous_Nut, Aug 21, 2005.

  1. vpkozel

    vpkozel Professional Calvinballer

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    I am not talking about only infant mortality. I am talking about a total shift in the way that a species gives birth that would not be truly beneficial for many hundred or thousands of years.
     
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    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    i dunno. what created the creator?
     
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    A system that ceases to function if you remove any of its parts.

    I'll settle for the dictionary definition of intelligence for arguments sake.

    A school of fish cannot demonstrate intelligence. A fish could I guess.

    That gravity acts on all matter. Yet the matter at the edges of the universe is accelerating, thus coming in conflict with the laws of gravity and inertia. Yet gravity does act on most observable matter so we say it is a scientific law.
     
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    Superfluous_Nut pastor of muppets

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    but that shift is based upon (what seems to me) some pretty major speculation.

    before you say that's what i'm basing my theory on, you have to recognize speculation is reasonable when you're proposing a theory, but pointless when trying to prove it's impossible.

    "maybe this is how it works" vs "maybe this would cause it to fail" are two totally different ideas.
     
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    HardHarry Rebel with a 401(k)

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    The head has gotten slightly bigger over time, (just like we have), but the proportions have really changed.

    We went from semi-muzzled, ape-like (aka "transitional") jaws, with heavy brows & small brain cavity (cranium), to a recessed, flat jaw & brow ridge, and larger cranium.

    That's one of the better, most thoroughly supported evolutionary chains in the fossil record. Has a lot to do with burying our dead and settling in dense(r) communal centers over time. Most critters tend to get wiped out haphazardly in isolated incidents and left to rot where they may.
     
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    I'd like to see a discussion of that, because I doubt that's all there is to the story. That doesn't at all mean it's acting in contradiction to gravity. You're assuming a single source. There could and are many such forces in play.

    Spatial gravity is much different than what we observe here on earth. Proximity to stimuli is huge, and there can be more than one.

    It's also highly in question what shape the universe is and what these aforementioned edges are.
     
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    I know that the overall shape and brain cavity have changed, but that would not have much to do with a baby being born - as external size would be the only limiting factor.
     
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    One problem at a time.
     
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    so if i point out a naturally occuring complex system, i suspect you would then say a creator was responsible. like, say, the solar system. remove the sun and the system fails.

    i suppose god does that, too, right?

    if there are some instances where gravity doesn't hold up, then i'd like to know why and how and what the implications are for gravity or physics in general and not just say "it is what it is".
     
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    I dunno. Have you ever seen the jaws on early man? Would you wanna pass that through?
     

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