If we cut Jake

Yes, I was thinking of that watching Manning be great at it last night. Not only do they not respect our run game, but that doesn't help a bit.

 

That's the thing. There's nothing in anything that I've said that says "jake's been fine." You're stating that, since I'm stating other things are also to blame, that I'm saying he's been perfect. Which is the same crap that dullards like UNCD pulled. I don't believe he's been that good at all. I'm not happy with our QB play either.

Just like the argument last year that Jake's best games have come when he's taken sacks, so therefore pressuring him isn't an issue. Us having less QB hurries against than for, has very little bearing on whether our line is good enough. Our

I'm stating more than last year, yes. We haven't even seen that much 3 WR down the stretch until we're down.

Watch Keyshawn five times a game and know this is wrong.

 

I am unaware of anyone posting a thread that talks about Jake's chances somewhere else if we cut him. If I have plagerized that idea I apologize to whoever it was that I stole it from.

As far as being slow, you can not be to fast if you fail to realize that third down efficiency is affected by many things not controlled by the quarterback. If you run on first and second down and are constantly faced with third and long then your third down rating as a quarterback is going to be lower than another equally talented guy who has a good running game and is converting it on third and short. You are taking one stat and using it to prove your point but it is flawed logic.

 

This was my point in referring to Marvin Harrison and Chad Johnson earlier, theyre no more open than Steve Smith is. The problem has been JD's reluctance to throw him the ball.

 

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No, I haven't. You're the one who has exaggerated the opposition position in order to invalidate and dismiss them. I have never suggested that you said Jake has been perfect, meanwhile you have accused others of saying that Jake is the only problem.

What I'm saying is that, for whatever reason, you have decided to defend Jake against all comers the way that you did George Seifert. I am also saying that you are taking pleasure in attacking people who dare to criticize Delhomme, regardless of whether or not they seem to be factually correct. You do not actually present any statistics or facts of your own to justify defending Jake, you simply attack and bully until the other side shuts up. Of course, you don't dare try to bully me because you know that I'm a bigger bully than you are.

Basically I think your defense of Jake has very little to do with Jake and very much to do with you wanting to exploit the issue for your own ego. You think I'm wrong about that, and fine, maybe I am.

We're above average in terms of sacks allowed, and we have generated far more QB hurries than we have allowed. No, I haven't gone through the trouble of adding up QB hurries for all 30 teams, but I think it's pretty safe to say that since we haven't been the most fearsome pass rush in the world that our total of QB hurries allowed is lower than average since it's so much lower than what we have done to other QBs.

You'd have a point if the TE or FB was kept in to pass block regularly, but they aren't. It's still 4 receivers in the pattern whether it's 3 WRs and a TE, 3 WRs and a FB, or 2 WRs plus a TE and a FB. We're not running as much 3 WR presumably because Mangum hasn't been banged up.

Keyshawn runs mostly deep and intermediate routes, and Jake consistently delivered the ball inaccurately to him, resulting in incompletions or circus catches.

Dude, I just got through telling FSF that the percentage of third downs between 3 and 7 yards has been essentially the same for the last four years. You are soooo sloooow.

 

Honestly I do not read most of your posts all the way through because you spend so much time in pissing contest that it is gets old.

In any event I know from watching Jake the past few years that he struggles when the team plays like crap and he tries to carry them. That is what happened this year. We could not stop the run and our safeties give up a lot of big plays in the passing game. This meant we lost a lot of leads late in games. On offense we could never get anything going in the running game and Keyshawn never was much of a factor. The whole team struggled not just Jake.

 

After similar arguments to this, where people want to completely ignore other factors because they want to further the opinion that Jake needs to go.

And you did say "and people who pretend that Jake has been fine.", lumping myself and others in as if any of us stated that.

I think so. I think that's your own bias. whether that's against me, or against Jake, is irreelvant, and I think you're putting your own perspective on me. Using the Seifert thing against anything that you simply want to negate my opinion on, is far beyond tired and inaccurate.

Which, for the hundredth time, has no bearing between the two. It's clear we have weakesses pass blocking, that we've had a lot of pressure this year, and last year, in the middle that doesn't result in sacks, and it's clear that the problem has been exascerbated with Weinke's slower drops and release.

The TE regularly helps with the RT.

we rarely ever dealt with the slant before Keyshawn came here, so in a few plays you can know that "all the same routes" is false.

Which means there's absolutely no other factor? False.

 

Confidence is a big factor in a player's and team's performance. You can statistically analyze Jake's performance and the O-line's relative performance and it's interesting. But it can be simply that Jake has no confidence in his O-line regardless of the protection, he has no confidence in the running game so he presses to make plays on his own, and, hell, maybe now he has no confidence in himself either. There is nothing like some success and some momentum and some confidence to change the statistical picture a bit. Just my two cents.

 

Jake was able to take us to a superbowl and a NFC Championship game. Guys who can do that do not all the sudden start to suck. Maybe age can sometimes cause a guy to go downhill fast but Jake is not that old yet. We just have to put the right guys around him and the right game plan in place.

I think the biggest thing we can do to make him better is to find a way to get a consistent running game. I am not really sure what it will take to get that but it is something we desperately need. Do that and Jake will look solid once again.