How can you be Christian and be Pro Choice?

At some point though it becomes a viable being able to live on its own. Or to put it in the same form. Tell me, do you favor abortions up until the time the baby comes out of the womb? And I mean like up to the last second.

How about neonatal care or operations in the womb? Because if you are in favor of any of these, then you have given worth to the fetus.

 

With all due respect, the commandment isn't 'Thou Shalt Not Kill', it's 'Thou Shalt Not Murder'

 

and fetus != baby.


sly's whole argument is based on the idea that people should treasure potential life if they should ever wish to have children. yet he understands there's a cut off point between when something is valuable and not valuable -- ie, he recognizes his sperm is valuable to impregnate his wife, yet he also recognizes that it's potential value has little bearing on it's actual value. he seems unable to apply this basic understanding to people who have a different cut off point.

 

and why is that? why would a pro-choice person be a hypocrite? you're making no sense.

because they see potential value as being different than actual value -- what you seem to allow for yourself but not for others. talk about hypocritical.

 

agreed that it becomes a viable being and that's the point where i think you don't perform abortions unless there's some serious health risk to the mother. or some serious damage to the baby that wasn't identified before and indicates a short, painful life (like severe spinobifida or some such)... but i think these cases are pretty rare.

 

Someone explain to me that if life doesn't begin at conception, then why was Scott Peterson charged, convicted, and condemned to die of TWO counts of murder instead of just one. I mean if the thing inside a woman is just a blob of goo until birth, why was this man given just one count of murder instead of two.

Not that I care about that situation, hated it for all parties concerned...But, had that been the case, Scott Peterson would be in San Quentin serving a sentence for second-degree murder, not in Folsom awaiting a needle.

 

that's easy -- legislators voted to make it illegal to kill a fetus w/o consent of the mother. it doesn't really mean anything in terms of when life begins, tho -- it's just legislation.

 

Tell your wife that in a couple of months.

PS - you might need to dial 911 first.

 

when discussing the pregnancy and the tests, etc. my wife was very much in favor of aborting if bad stuff was discovered. she's quite pro-choice.


i have a wonderful niece who was born 4 years ago. i love her dearly as does the whole family. when my sister-in-law got pregnant, it was with a deadbeat she was actually not even really dating. everybody was mad at her for getting pregnant (she habitually didn't use protection). she lived at home and gave no indication that she was ready to be a mom, let alone a single mom. people were thinking she should abort it.

now, do i equate the idea of aborting the fetus with murdering my niece? not at all. do i believe that my niece would somehow suffer for not being born or that the world would be a worse place? my sentimentality says yes, but my realism says no. there's no telling what might have happened if my sis-in-law had gotten an abortion. similarly, if she had, then there would have been no telling what might have been if she didn't.

i honestly think people are very good at adapting to their environments. people look at their life and say "i wouldn't change a thing" even tho there were probably bad things. because it's such a universal concept -- not wanting to change the things that made you -- i would conclude that if those things were changed without your input or recognition, you'd end up saying you like those things the way they are as well.

i guess what i'm saying is that the way things are always seem like they're the way they "should" be and that any pondering of decisions not made seem like alterations to the "correct" path. in regards to abortion, people see children and loved ones and recoil at the thought of those people being aborted. but they wouldn't have existed if they were aborted and you'd never have known them to miss them. just like sly's poor sperm will never make wonderful babies stuck at the end of a condom.

some couples try for quite some time to get pregnant. do they fret over missed ovulation cycles? sure, it's one more month they must wait, but they don't freak out at having "lost" a potential baby. if it takes a year to conceive, that's 12 babies potential babies that didn't make it.

 

That was nice and all, but it doesn't speak to the point. You said fetus != baby, and that is not at all correct. At some point you will start to think of that fetus as your child. So, in fact fetus = baby.

Edit - I was thinking y'all were still in the trying mode, but saw in the suv thread that you are expecting in 3 months. My guess is that you already think of it as a child, not as a fetus. Congrats.