HOLLYWOOD STARLETS Making Babies Before Marriage

Then why keep the door open? Only only 1 reason. You aren't 100% sure. There is still some doubt. And marriage is more than a status. It's you and your spouse basically taking an oath before friends and family that you will remain together through thick and thin. If that oath is too much for someone to handle, don't have kids.

 

That's completely irrelevant. Your whole argument is emotional and not rational whatsoever, because as Freakshow stated, this is undoubtedly about how you want to live your life. You don't want to get married and thus you invent excuses to justify that, but while it is certainly true that couples can sustain a long-term commitment without marriage, the odds are against them. Marriage is unquestionably the best way for society to promote stable family units.

You have no room to be talking to me about reality given that your argument has nothing to do with reality. Again, your argument is entirely emotional, not rational. I'm talking about what is best for society at large, as demonstrated by mountains of research. You're talking about personal preferences.

Yes, it does. It's not an absolute, but most things aren't. Being a citizen of this country is a form of status and involves both rights and obligations. It doesn't necessarily mean that you love this country, and some people do later choose to renounce their citizenship. But that "status" is nonetheless a critical element of society.

You don't have a point. Everyone can see that you're simply trying to justify what you want to do, which is fine for your own life, but doesn't apply to anyone else's. You want it to so that you don't feel uncomfortable about your own choices, but it does not.

No, it won't. While divorce rates are unconscionably high, any research will show you that marriages are still longer lasting and more stable on average than two people just living together. It is an inferior level of commitment, which is why Odin was pointing out that some people do this before choosing to go to that next level and get married.

Of course it does.

When you make specious arguments like this, it clearly demonstrates that you don't have a rational position from which to argue. The point of the commitment in marriage is that people are more inclined to work through their issues, because the nature of relationships is that people have difficulties, whether they're married or not. People who are do more to persevere and sustain that relationship.

Except that it isn't, and even you know that you're wrong about this. Avoiding marriage is quite clearly a way of staying at that inferior status and avoiding the extra burden of responsibilities that comes with a legal union. Again, this is about you trying to justify what you want, but all manner of social science research proves you wrong about what is good for society at large. If you want to live with someone and not get married, that's your perogative and maybe it will work for you, but you absolutely should not be supporting that as an equally valid alternative to marriage because all the data shows that it isn't. Don't take your personal preference and try to misrepresent it just to make yourself feel better about your own choices.

 

Because he's not marrying you and therefore he doesn't owe you any fucking explanation of why they choose not to get married no matter how much you want to try and tell them you know what is best for them?

Just a possibility.

 

Wow.

 

I think a bigger concern to me, is the rate of criminal activity that Hollywood "stars" get themselves in. I appreciate that that's not totally what this thread is about - but I think of Brittany, Paris, Lyndsay, Mischa Barton (actually, the list is pretty endless) getting into criminal strife and kids out there saying "well, they got through it - I'll be fine". Kids don't appreciate that they have amazing legal teams and are financially set (for the most part)...they also have amazing PR staff who can stop things turning to shite - most kids don't have all that. It worries me that so much behaviour is becoming acceptable and normalized - and we don't seem to appreciate the negative knock on effects of this .

Okay - I'm done, thanks - .

 

why did you get married before you had your kid?


was it the pellet gun?

 

This has been discussed ad nauseum. Insurance. Hence why we renewed our vows well after our son was born.

 

Divorce rate is HIGHER among people who have lived together prior to getting married.

 

Not all sheep have shepherds.

 

This is a fantastic post, and I agree with every letter of it. Well said, indeed, Collin.