Has Fox lost them?

I'm not blaming it on him, but I have a feeling this team is not entirely under the coaches' control anymore. A disciplinarian and a hardass, Fox seems to have gotten a lot of props for cutting Terry (which you'd expect) and was lauded for suspending Smith. Now a lot of people close to the Smith situation are surprised that he's only gotten one game.

My feelings on the situation based on the Gazette story I just read seems to suggest he needs to be released as well. Terry missed court, and he's been a little unstable. But Smith beat the holy shit out of a teammate for basically no good reason. Even Westbrook had some amount of reason, I believe. Someone on an email list I frequent posted a rumor stating that, basically, Smith will get his soon, if not this season possibly in training camp.

Anyway back to losing this team, you've got seven straight losses. You've got demoralizing victories. You've got a lot f players havng subpar second half performances and some that are really tapering off in the back part of the season - good players you don't expect to see disappear. Hard working players.

I don't find this team to be led or held together anymore. I know there's gonna be some pretty staunch defense of the job John Fox has done, and to a point, I agree. His non-game decisions and his ability to work with Hurney and the owner's wishes and many of his game decisions have been good. I'm not looking to string JF up, but this team is barreling out of control and the only thing that will stop it is January.

 

This team is in a tailspin and i'm not sure they can pull out of it this year. They need to have a really good game on Sunday or all Hell is gonna break out IMO. If they play a good game with no turnovers, manage to put some points up and just get beat maybe things may be ok. A blowout like last time and it's gonna get ugly.

 

I don't think he has lost the team, one tenth the amount Capers did or 1/100,000,000 the way Siefart did.

He probably suspended Smith just for one game until he got "the full story". I think the team is behind him. (FOX)

The only thing I have a question mark about is why he has not taken hold and seriously addressed the offensive playcalling.

On another note, I don't know where Dee Brown goes in the second half. I think him and Lamar would be a decent 1-2 punch. But they tend not to give Dee the ball as much in the second half, not that he has gotten that many carries anyway.

 

Where's the NFL????

Where the fuck is the league in all this? they suspend a guy 4 games for ephredine, but a guy beats the holy mess out of a teammate and not even a press quote. Thats disturbing.

 

foxhole

I really like and respect Fox. He's got a tough job coming up to rebuild this Offense.

 

Coaches always lose certain players, mostly vets, when the team is out of the playoff hunt. While wins build confidence and team unity, losses do the opposite 10 fold...especailly on long losing streaks. The vets know what is going on, the lack of talent, etc. It's hard to play your best when you just playing out the string.

As long as there are off season improvements, what vets they decide to bring back will be back with Fox next year.

 

The Foxhole deal answers the question... why only 1 week.

"On suspending Smith for one game instead of a longer period of time: I don’t think this is a matter of one week, two weeks or three weeks. I think it is a very typical disciplinary action for what occurred amongst NFL teams. Any time you suspend a player for conduct detrimental, it can be appealed if it is anything more than one week. "

 

Sure, Smith could appeal it. The team has pretty good grounds to cut him right now if they wanted, and regardless of that fact they still have every bit of the leverage.
Plus the NFLPA probably wouldn't push that hard to defend a player who beat the fuck out of another player in a film room.

So yes, Smith could appeal it. I don't know what kind of fucknut believes he could appeal and win, or what Smith would really gain from doing so other than money and more disrespect from a team that can't stand him.

 

IMO no he hasn't. Amid a 7 game losing streak everything seems worse than it is.

If we had won 7 straight do you think we'd be having the same problems.

Fox needs to get has ass involved in the O more IMO also.

 

I don't think he's lost them, but I do think he's losing them.

Regarding SS, yeah, I think he'll get his, not only from the team, but from him and probably from the front office, too. I think he's handling the situation like he is for reasons we don't know yet.

I don't know what's going to happen for the next 5 1/2 weeks. I think he's in a process now of seeing who's with him and who wants to jump ship, and I think that will be increasingly evident as the season wears on. Just makes his offseason decisions easier, IMO.