grade The Bobcat's season

1) What anecdotal evidence did I throw out there? Please tell me.

2) Please show me your the expectations you saw. I can show you where the players said they wanted to win 25 games - that was in the Observer, and talked about ad-nauseum over the last week of the season. It's not that I don't beleive you, it's just simply that if you're going to call B.S. on me when I can back up my statements, you sure had better be able to come with some proof to back yourself up.

3) This isn't about the Bobcats doing perfectly this year. They certainly weren't, and if I was a whiney bitch I could find a billion things to complain about. The thing is that you claim they get an "F", which would rate as "Failure".

I counter with:

a) they increased their win total
b) they increased their average attendance

And those two stats are basically the indicators of success. No, they aren't the Spurs or the Pistons yet, and nor should they be.

in the smaller areas about what they did with ticket prices, tv and players, you neglected that they did in fact lower prices (supposed bait and switch aside), you were unaware of what station they were playing on, and you were uninformed about what happened with their players.

Regardless, it's all a matter of perspective. I thought they did pretty decent this year. You may disagree, but I guess that's why they are called opinions.

 

I don't know a thing about the Bobcats.

But they were going to struggle for wins this year with the expansion FA rules, and they probably will this year too. If you land a star this year, and spend money on next year's FA crop (you won't likely get Lebron or any huge name, but you can get some good players after that's settled).

I could see the Bobcats fielding a more competitive winning team by 2008, if things fall right.

 

Uh...no I don't. I live up here in the foothills and do not have Time Warner Cable. We had access to about 10 games this season via the UPN Affailiate in Spartanburg SC. Most of those games shown were either late West Coast games or games played at an odd hour like Sunday evening games.

IMHO, I think they outta show about 25-30 Bobcats games per season in syndication so those outside Metro Charlotte can at least keep track of what's going on. It's kinda hard for a fan like me to grow interest in a team when I might get to see them once or twice a month. You know ESPN and TNT won't consider picking up a Bobcats game until they get close to being playoff calibur, so I guess I'm stuck to keeping up with them on the internet and the occasional game on TV.

 

yeah, it's too bad they are locked in with TWC.

HEY SOLARTE

Any idea when that contract expires?

 

I just want to remind you and everyone else up front that you intentionally started this shitfest with me, not the other way around.

My god. Are you so dumb that you don't know what "anecdotal" means? This: "I went to quite a few games last year and this year. It did seem like there were more butts in the seats this year." is anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal means to draw from experience rather than objective study, and that's what you're doing in your estimation of attendance figures. You're saying that in your experience, X happened, and therefore you think X is representative of the "truth." Maybe it is, although my friend's even greater experience disagrees with yours, but in either case it was ludicrous for you (and then suckazzz) to criticize me for using anecdotal evidence when that's all you had as well.

Not only are you a moron, but you're completely full of shit as well. Where did you back up your statements? Where did I ask you to? You just make shit up out of thin air anytime you want, don't you? I guess being a moron makes it easier to delude yourself into creating some fantasy where everything makes sense, even if it seems like mindless gibberish to people with a fully functioning brain. You haven't provided any links (although I haven't asked for them either), but as usual, some moron wants me to do all the work and find sources for the things I say while he doesn't offer any. Typical.

You're saying that players focused on 25 games, but you're being deceptive with those comments because that's a goal they set recently when it became clear that they couldn't do any better than that. You're talking about quotes from Gerald Wallace a month ago, not predictions from before the season. If you were being honest you would have mentioned how Felton said the Bobcats would make the playoffs (although that was obviously crazy), or that posters on TBR were mostly supporting his boast (notice who didn't). Scat Fouler also predicted more than 30 wins, although I'm having trouble finding Rick Bonnell's prediction.

No, it isn't, but you continue to ignore the fact that I was agreeing with something DJ_Tet said. I'm not the only one who feels like the Bobcats haven't done enough to court fans. Actually my opinion is in the vast majority on that count.

Who couldn't increase on 18 wins? Is that an accomplishment? And yes, they increased their average attendance from 2nd to last to 4th to last (I think, but don't quote me on that because I'm not sure). Wow, those are astonishing advances for the organization.

No, I didn't, dumbass. I specifically addressed that repeatedly. The fact of the matter is that Johnson already drove away many of his potential customers, and the newness around the Bobcats that might have drawn people in has already worn off. They lowered prices because they had already raised them after an 18 win season, and now they're desperate enough to lower them because people aren't coming to the games.

Yes, I was, and do you know why? Because most people in NC and SC still don't get Bobcats games. News14 has hardly any coverage, and WJZY is strictly local. That was my whole point and you made it for me, you drooling nincompoop.

Stop lying, fuckwidget. I was the one who did know about the injuries and how long players typically miss with them. You're the one who wouldn't know a knee scope from a rectal plug.

Which is why it was incredibly stupid for you to attack me for expressing mine. You started this, so don't blame me for your subsequent humiliation.

 

You're right, I did. Because I care!

You're absolutely right Collin, I did use anecdotal evidence, but only after you brought in your own anecdotal evidence in an attempt to dismiss my claims that there were about 2000 more people in attendance

Please see: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/14383505.htm

Ok, I already provided a link about the attendance.

As for the "25 wins": http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/14321713.htm

I quote, from what Wallace said:

Clearly, this wasn't a late breaking goal.

Felton said he was focused on making the playoffs, not "we're going to make the playoffs". He did, last year, make some comment about making the playoffs, but if I remember correctly, most people laughed at him.

Of course, discussing this one further is a battle of semantics, and the only thing that comes from that is 2 losers.

I do find it amusing you quoted Scott Fowler, because of two things. First of all, I don't know anybody who doesn't consider Scott Fowler to be an idiot. You even called him "Scat" fowler. Secondly, in Fowler's own article, he references Tom Sorenson's prediction of 24 games, found here:

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/13057553.htm

Obviously, Sorenson was a lot closer than Fowler was.

Secondly, even Fowler mentions that he lost the previous year's prediction contest, which makes his predictions unwise to follow.

I will agree they could do more to court the fans. I also thing they've made some progress. Hell, if drafting two UNC kids wasn't a "PLEASE COME WATCH US" I don't know what is. If they draft two Duke kids next year, I may join the "screw the bobcats" movement

Interestingly enough, the Vancouver Grizzlies couldn't improve on 18 wins. See the bottom of http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/14321713.htm

They actually dropped four games. The Hornets, too, actually went down in win total from year one to two. Apparently it's not automatic to improve in your second year. An 8 game improvement is pretty decent imho.

I will be the first person to admit that raising the prices was stupid. But I do give them credit for lowering prices, at least it shows they aren't completely ignoring the fans.

I'll appologize, I was unaware of how News14 worked. Is WJZY truely local? Several people mentioned they did get a few games on WJZY. I guess we were both wrong here.

"Fuckwidget". That's actually a really good one.

First of all, yes, I would know a knee scope from a rectal plug. I've had a number of sports (and basketball in particular) related injuries and I'm quite familiar with a number of them.

Secondly, no you did no know about the injuries. You stated: "I don't see how Okafor could miss 56 games due to a sprained ankle. I know bad those can be, but that's a really long time to be out, and I've never heard of anyone else missing that many games because of one."

If you did in fact know about the injuries, you would have known it was two different sprains, and not just one.

You're right, I went about it in the wrong way. I should have said "Collin, would you please elaborate on your feelings", but then I could make the case that you would have degenerated into name calling sooner or later, so I skipped ahead a little. My appologies though on skipping out on the conversational foreplay.

 

You are a lying sack of dog shit. You started this bitchfest with me because you're a bitter, frustrated loser who still holds a grudge over previous humiliations and will take any shot at me you can. You're just like a thousand other sniveling little morons in that respect. Don't pretend that you had any other motivation, or that you would have responded the way you did if I hadn't been the one making those comments. After all, you didn't criticize DJ_Tet for saying exactly the same thing.

I'm glad you've finally learned what "anecdotal" means. Unfortunate you still look like a complete fool for criticizing me about using anecdotal evidence when that's what you used as well. Clearly you didn't know what the term meant, and instead thought it was synonymous with "second hand" or something of that nature. At least now you're a little less ignorant than you were yesterday.

Thanks for providing the quote that proved your own dumb ass wrong. Did you even read what you just posted, inbred retard? "If things went well, they'd reach 30 victories." Did they reach 30 victories? No. So that means things didn't go well, right? Now what did he say about 25 wins? That it's the "minimum" they could do.

You are some kind of idiot. They should parcel off some land for all the idiots of the world, then they could built the Statue of Idiocy with your face on it to greet all the morons as they pull into Fucknut Harbor. Felton said, and I quote, "We are going to the playoffs."

Fowler is a moron, but I find it amusing that you ignore the thread I linked where TBR posters expected quite a bit more than 25 wins (except me, of course).

Not in today's NBA, especially in the East. Granted, it could have been worse, but winning 25 games in the East is still embarrassing.

Ugh. You will never know how frustrating it is to have a reasonable level of intelligence and be forced to converse with the intellectual equivalent of grandma's shitstains. Okafor did not have two separate sprains. He had one sprain and missed a little less than a month, then supposedly reaggravated the same injury in his return. The Bobcats used the excuse of ankle tendinitis to shelve him for the rest of the season, but ankle tendinitis is not something that should keep a player out for that long. It's a common condition among basketball players, and while painful, it's something people play through. The team shut Okafor down because they didn't care about this season, and while that makes perfect season from a perspective focused on future performance, it only alienates fans who pay to see players of a certain quality.

Stop pretending that your objective was anything other than what you got. You wanted a pissing contest and you got one.

 

haha thank you collin.

i've been stuck at work all day and you've been helped me pass the time.

all hail collin :229031_ha :229031_ha :229031_ha :229031_ha :229031_ha :229031_ha

oh one, last thing, re: Okafor's injury - yes, he re-aggravated it, but that doesn't imply there wasn't a second injury. he hurt it, got better, did something to cause more damage

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260110030

"But Okafor, who had been sidelined with a sprained ankle, re-injured himself late in the second overtime when he stepped on someone's foot. He had to be helped from the court, his right shoe off, and was on crutches after the game."

Two seperate injuries dude.

 

Actually, I probably talk the least shit to you out of all the people here. You do a good enough job making an ass of yourself, so it makes it easy for me.

I am assuming you are an intelligent person. I give you the benefit of the doubt on this DESPITE the amount you like to advertise it. You will never be jack shit in this world until you learn how to carry yourself. I don't care how many fucking degrees you have, and how right you may be in certain instances. I certainly hope this internet forum is your opportunity to treat people like ass, because I dont see you lasting if you acted like this in the real world.


And honestly, "well my friend told me nobody was there" is pretty fucking weak and hypocritical given how much shit YOU talk and how many stats you spew to back up your "points" in the football forum.

If you're bitter over the Hornets, then thats too bad. But dont act like Bob Johnson owes you a damn thing. There are plenty of other things to do in this city.

 

In defense of Collin, there were probably a grand total of 4 and a half bobcat games on tv in eastern NC this year. Hell, if I hadn't have caught one randomly on the local PAX station (who fucking watches PAX anyway), I woulda thought they were still on C-SET too.