For those doubting Bunting...

One other thing. You just proved my point somewhat that they can't do it consistently. Even with a GREAT recruiter like Brown they STILL had two years where they won 7 or 8 and not the 10 wins you think they should have.

And to repeat - when they get that coach he's going to end up somewhere better down the road. Then you end up right back where that program is now.

UNC is never going to be what you want or expect Larry. You should probably take the easy win and be happy about it. Or take the AD job and find another Mack Brown 'cause he's apparently the only guy who can make that program win at that level. How often do those guys come along?

 

Well, they do have a point, kshead.

Again, look at UT. No beach, unless you count snow beach. No real, unrepairable difference betweem UT and UNC, except one school is known for basketball and the other for football.

Sure, facilities, the track team, exposure, and 100,000 people got recruits in. But we weren't a 10 win a year team until Fulmer came. Not since the early 70s. We had a couple of good years, like 86, but for the most part we were a team that squared off vs Maryland in the Sun Bowl until Fulmer came.

So it can happen. Unlikely to happen, I'd say, just because of the competition and the perception, sure. But it can.

And, IMO, Tech has a great opportunity to become a consistent big time school with Beamer. He can use this opportunity to set back UVA and UNC for a long, long time. My wife will be pissed.

 

Sure Piper. I will admit it can be done short term. But not long term. You gotta look at what happens with teams that historically have done well and have the cash/boosters to play on that history too. Look at the Top 20 in 1978 and then look at it now. See any of the same schools? Nothing changes. Only on the fringes.

Your team had a history. It also has the SEC. UNC is historically a hoops school. The ACC is historically not even close ot the Big 10, Big 12 (old Big 8/SWC schools) or SEC.

Edit: One other thing on Tech. We may be the exception to the rule. So is K State. See a common bond in how both teams got there? Plus, I still think if it weren't for the fact that Beamer is a Tech alum, he'd be leading someone like Bama back to prominence right now and I'd have some sorry fucker leading Tech to 6-5 seasons. (Again, this excludes typical SEC booster shenanigans.)

 

Obviously, some bright coordinator who is an alum and can talk shit about FSU to recruits.

 

I agree with you on the alum angle. That's why I keep harping on it with Beamer. It's also what got Rodriguez back to WVU. Even with that angle I'd be a bit nervous if I was an Eers fan - especially if the Big East loses its BCS bid in a few years. Nehlen was an older guy when the Eers got him from Bowling Green and by the time the Eers got good in the 80's he wasn't going anywhere. I believe Beamer has finally reached that point now.

Give you another example. If Fridge wasn't a MD alum and was 45 instead of 55, I'd be mighty scared if I were a MD fan. But he's here for the duration now. Debbie Yow finally got one right with that one.

 

So how many schools are actually consistant powerhouses in football and basketball?

I am sure there are some, but I can't really think of any.

 

Over the past 5 years? Oklahoma is one. And you could certainly argue Florida.

 

Arkansas to some degree.

Going back a little, UCLA, Michigan.

 

L.T.